tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post1149174982625468573..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Clericalism and OptionismFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-63606153742915326852017-11-01T16:27:57.858+00:002017-11-01T16:27:57.858+00:00@James
Be careful, you are in danger of losing yo...@James<br /><br />Be careful, you are in danger of losing your faith. If you have lost your confidence in the Papacy, then remember it is based on a particular interpretation of Matthew 16:18 and a disputed account of history and tradition.<br /><br />There are a quarter of a billion people who belong to a Catholic church which has been untouched by the Second Vatican Council, where the liturgy is invariably celebrated in a worthy manner, and which has produced a vast harvest of saints, most notably in the twentieth century.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-60543211196713288282017-10-31T18:35:01.473+00:002017-10-31T18:35:01.473+00:00The article is a damning indictment of the Ultramo...The article is a damning indictment of the Ultramontanism of the last 50 years. And so, of Popes and of a Church that have made this approach to the Liturgy normal. It also destroys any reasons for confidence in the Popes. There is no reason for anyonr to trust them - they have turned what used to be Catholicism into just another Protestant sect. <br /><br />James https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778088696977639132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28719366412719017062017-10-11T15:22:32.502+01:002017-10-11T15:22:32.502+01:00In the TLM prior 1962, the celebrant on "gree...In the TLM prior 1962, the celebrant on "green" Sundays and weekdays often could choose a third prayer freely (but out of the Missal, of course). I wonder, whether the priest really used this power to choose, and if so, what they choose at those times as final prayer. Does anyone reading this post has ever asked an old priest this question? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77089870474173300022017-10-05T21:28:34.879+01:002017-10-05T21:28:34.879+01:00I wonder what happened to Bishop Sheen's comme...I wonder what happened to Bishop Sheen's comment:<br /><br /> 'It is a long established principal of the Church never to completely drop from her public worship any ceremony office or prayer which once occupied a place in that worship.'<br /><br />This evening after Mass we said the usual Leonine prayers which were once the norm after every Mass. And yet they were dropped only to be retained after Mass in the Extraordinary Form. What would Bishop Sheen say today?Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-16849082059323381802017-10-05T21:27:09.521+01:002017-10-05T21:27:09.521+01:00"Options" began within the Latin church ..."Options" began within the Latin church as soon as it was permitted to say Mass in the vernacular. That opened up the musical options and from there on, what happened became a battleground. That which was intended to unite became a source of division and conflict. Whose work was that, one might ask.<br /><br />What should a Catholic Christian do? Lapsation or walking away is no answer. It is necessary only to remember that the current problem is a specifically Roman phenomenon, and act accordingly depending on one's circumstances.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-71001880453761868832017-10-05T13:03:27.684+01:002017-10-05T13:03:27.684+01:00My bishop is inaugurating a programme of parish am...My bishop is inaugurating a programme of parish amalgamations, which will, de facto, be laity controlled. Any incoming cleric and laity outside the controlling clique will be subject to the whims of that clique. The bishop has asserted that demographic changes are responsible for the necessary changes - not flight from and alck of teaching of The Faith. Diocesan web-site promoted visits to mosques and synagogues. Adjacent diocese(s) have called-in the Traditional Orders, my own not even enlisting The Ordinariate - for whom I have 'time'.Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39433193710170640752017-10-04T17:51:15.545+01:002017-10-04T17:51:15.545+01:00Thank you once again, Father.
This describes prec...Thank you once again, Father.<br /><br />This describes precisely why I ended up in a parish that celebrates the Old Rite (which I did not enjoy at the time). It was NOT that I wanted something that reflected my personal taste. It was almost the opposite: I was so tired of watching peoples preferences and political positions play themselves out around the altar in the liturgy. <br /><br />I wanted to worship in an environment free from all of our personal preferences. The Novus Ordo, and all the jockeying for position (whether in favor of orthodoxy, tradition, or innovation) was just too distracting. I was having trouble praying in that environment. I started looking for the changes as signals, rather than the liturgy.<br /><br />I actually started off at an Eastern Rite church because I disliked the quietness of the low TLM. It was jarring based on what I was used to. But while worshiping in the Byzantine liturgy, I took opportunities to go to the TLM. Once I assimilated, I gradually discovered its beauty and value. It is the liturgy of the theology of the redemption as seen through the crucifixion, as the Eastern rite is seen through the resurrection. I love both.<br /><br />The Novus Ordo seems to be a hodge podge which, at its best, is great in that it resembles other things.Cosmoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14199946824127025416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24223393725270538012017-10-04T16:57:38.591+01:002017-10-04T16:57:38.591+01:00Many thanks for this very edifying post, Father Ra...Many thanks for this very edifying post, Father Ray, and hopes for your continued good health. Personally, I think that we are already at the point of having to cleave unto antiquity, the only question to remain being in which ecclesial community is that best done? Glory to Jesus Christ?Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.com