tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post1352182778294856816..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Catholics and NazismFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-29374788694828007342007-09-02T00:30:00.000+01:002007-09-02T00:30:00.000+01:00Fr. Ray,Henry shouldn't be suspicious about the ma...Fr. Ray,<BR/><BR/>Henry shouldn't be suspicious about the maps. On the first map, the white enclave half way between the Baltic and the Czechoslovakian border, and three-quarters of the way along a line from the Dutch border to the (former) Polish border, is Berlin. The Nazis always faced a strong challenge there from the left.<BR/><BR/>Hamburg looks like it's shaded lighter than black, and it too wasn't solidly Nazi. Many of the dockworkers were socialists -- although the shopkeeper and ship-owning fraternities were likely more attracted to Hitler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-25515765891694621012007-09-01T21:55:00.000+01:002007-09-01T21:55:00.000+01:00Henry,I think you fail to appreciate the near star...Henry,<BR/>I think you fail to appreciate the near starvation Hamburg experienced and unemployment in other larger cities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-57022241522359817682007-09-01T20:54:00.000+01:002007-09-01T20:54:00.000+01:00I am suspicious of those maps. Hamburg and Berlin ...I am suspicious of those maps. Hamburg and Berlin appear to be Nazi-supporting, which was not the case. Both were industrial cities with substantial working classes organised within trade unions. Hamburg was involved in shipbuilding and marine engineering and Berlin in mechanical and electrical engineering. The people in those places would have had every reason not to support the Nazis.<BR/><BR/>Right wing groups tend to get their support from small businessmen and tradesmen working on their own account, who were and still are, squeezed by government bureaucrats and get little for the taxes they pay.<BR/><BR/>These are the social groups from which papers like the Daily Express and Daily Mail draw their readership.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I have no doubt that many British would have made excellent Nazis, given the opportunity. In fact, our own home-grown Nazi party did very well until the Olympia stadium business in 1936.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14520692934229865962007-09-01T20:26:00.000+01:002007-09-01T20:26:00.000+01:00I think benfan is missing a point. However badly ...I think benfan is missing a point. However badly (at least some) German Catholics behaved subsequently, at the time when Hitler was trying to gain power in Germany they knew exactly what was what.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34405622472173234842007-08-31T21:01:00.000+01:002007-08-31T21:01:00.000+01:00Anonymous,If you look at the graphs they measure c...Anonymous,<BR/>If you look at the graphs they measure concentrations within bandwidths. No one is foolish enough to suggest that Catholics were not involved in the Nazi project. The evidence shows that relative to the Catholic population Hitler's socialists were alot more popular with Protestants than with Catholics. It is clear to me, even without graphs, that Catholics would find the German socialist movement repulsive. If you have any understanding of Catholic culture you would see that. The purity and hardwork, disicipline, health bla bla would always rankle a stereotypical Catholic and attract a stereotypical Protestant. This is aside from the widespread murder which, neither group really knew about to any great extent until the last days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59248181009543790542007-08-31T18:12:00.000+01:002007-08-31T18:12:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61028283113605744782007-08-31T14:29:00.000+01:002007-08-31T14:29:00.000+01:00I wonder if other visitors to this blog are aware ...I wonder if other visitors to this blog are aware of the excellent article by Sister Margherita Marchione on Pius XII in the Catholic Herald (31 August 2007).<BR/><BR/>It's what I would call necessary reading.<BR/><BR/>Along with the books she has written on the same subject.<BR/><BR/>Hitler's Pope ?<BR/>Certainly not !Dr. Peter H. Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13955402188119575105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-47224081512535957912007-08-31T13:36:00.000+01:002007-08-31T13:36:00.000+01:00It may be interesting to look at the Archbishop of...It may be interesting to look at the Archbishop of Paris's involvement in the deportation of Jews to the French transit camp in Drancy. A fascinating exhibition called "Le temps des rafles" is worth a visit on this very subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-68541088582046150912007-08-31T13:14:00.000+01:002007-08-31T13:14:00.000+01:00These maps were published in the St Austin Star so...These maps were published in the St Austin Star some time ago (when I used to get it) and are very interesting.<BR/>I recommend Rabbi David Dalin's book "The Myth of Hitler's Pope".<BR/><BR/>John Cornwell was allowed to write for the Catholic Herald recently-I know he has kind of apologised but he has not withdrawn the book he wrote so I am a but leery.WhiteStoneNameSeekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817511811745085749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61895545845230909572007-08-31T11:01:00.000+01:002007-08-31T11:01:00.000+01:00Yes i've seen those maps before...very interesting...Yes i've seen those maps before...very interesting...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com