tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post2874979920775640112..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Church is GuiltyFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23702380675751730022009-11-24T16:15:11.837+00:002009-11-24T16:15:11.837+00:00Malcolm - Blog readers might be misled into a frui...Malcolm - Blog readers might be misled into a fruitless search through Dostoevsky's "The Devils". In fact the quotation about beauty and the world is from "The Idiot".Decimusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86369825788860346262009-11-21T21:36:41.201+00:002009-11-21T21:36:41.201+00:00Sceptical Fundamentalist
You're quite right.
...Sceptical Fundamentalist<br /><br />You're quite right.<br /><br />We may rail like the Nazis and Communists against decadent art, but they replaced it with inhuman art.<br /><br />I wouldn't wish to give either type of art any wall space.johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76181745443349180362009-11-21T01:42:05.592+00:002009-11-21T01:42:05.592+00:00JohnF - a clock that has stopped is right twice a ...JohnF - a clock that has stopped is right twice a day, and there is always a good point, albeit tortured and perverted, in heresy and atheistic ideology. The Nazis and Communists created the most frightening, false propagandist "art", based on lies and a denial of our humanity. Humans naturally revolt against the anti-human sentiments and plain ugliness often found in modernism. The Communists and Nazis replaced these populist trash - something like a pastiche of popular religious imagery designed to deaden the soul and quell dissent. The devil may sometimes appear as an angel as light - but be wary of dancing with him.The Sceptical Fundamentalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664552410973539360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24956130790034457462009-11-20T23:24:05.204+00:002009-11-20T23:24:05.204+00:00I was intrigued, Malcolm about the quote 'beau...I was intrigued, Malcolm about the quote 'beauty will save the world' especially as Dostoyevsky died before Nobel prizes. But google tells us that it was Solzhenitsin who quoted Dostoyevsky at his Nobel prize speech in 1971. So the connection is made.<br /><br />I am amazed at the prescience of Dosteyevsky. In 'The Demons' he tells the story of a group of liberals in an unidentified town who welcome the young nihilists and theoreticians because they want to be thought 'progressive' and are rewaded for their liberal attitudes by mayhem and murder.<br /><br />Modern art is rubbish, and also modern 'classical or serious' music. Does anyone ever want to listen to modern music, the Stockhausens etc? <br /><br />To my horror, I find I share some views with the Nazis and Communists who railed against 'decadent art'johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2506481454581968652009-11-20T23:14:20.138+00:002009-11-20T23:14:20.138+00:00I think that Gem's first statement nails it.
...I think that Gem's first statement nails it. <br />The entire artistic tradition of the west originated in the patronage of the Church during the middle ages and renaissance which in turn led to the development of the distinct professions of artist and architect, the beginnings of academies and the development of artistic ideologies. In short Art took on a life of its own with its concerns being shaped by both academic institutions and the market. In Britain, for instance, the kinds of work being produced by contemporary artists can be easily explained by the kind of teaching promoted in art colleges since the Coldstream report in the 1960s, on the one hand, and by the activities of wealthy collectors, ("enablers" in Gem's terminology) on the other.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12511636990269348782009-11-20T18:38:43.604+00:002009-11-20T18:38:43.604+00:00I should correct my earlier post. The quote is fr...I should correct my earlier post. The quote is from Dostovesky (although I've never been able to locate it exactly and his books tend to be fairly long) but it was quoted by Solzhenitsyn in HIS Nobel Prize acceptance speech.<br /><br />"Mea maxima culpa" or "Sorry mate" according to how you like your liturgy!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11447511252614433412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11102612250196990662009-11-20T18:15:12.951+00:002009-11-20T18:15:12.951+00:00'Save the liturgy...Save the World' - Fr Z...'Save the liturgy...Save the World' - Fr ZThe Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-87453729619343431582009-11-20T15:50:00.169+00:002009-11-20T15:50:00.169+00:00"Well, that's enough about me,let's t..."Well, that's enough about me,let's talk about you, What do you think of me"?mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06962374096401238994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-54104111375113218882009-11-20T15:04:11.480+00:002009-11-20T15:04:11.480+00:00I believe it was Dostovesky (or however you spell ...I believe it was Dostovesky (or however you spell it)who said in his Nobel Prize acceptance speech that the world will be saved by beauty. In a way he was right. I'm sure I have said this before but an expample is the fuss that was made (rightly IMHO) over the pointless Allied bombing of Dresden when the war was almost over.<br /><br />Talking of beauty, whilst playing at your church yesterday I had mental images of that awful grey paint (to which you have previously referred on this blog) replaced with a lovely white, and all the other colours - the reds, the golds &c., restored - even on the ceiling. Now that would really be beautiful art and I'm sure you will achieve it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11447511252614433412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-75607113905374082172009-11-20T14:28:23.716+00:002009-11-20T14:28:23.716+00:00IT's not only the artists, it's also their...IT's not only the artists, it's also their enablers who commission crap.<br /><br />One phrase: St. Vibiana, Los Angeles.<br /><br />I rest my case.<br /><br />[Excellent observations, BTW, the only point I'd disagree about would be re: the ones who look through the microscope -- they more than anyone can see how UNRandom things are! Look at all the pictures fo embryos!]gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.com