tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post3274921219728106381..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Clifton Chief ExecutiveFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48763158998331048042012-07-17T16:20:19.677+01:002012-07-17T16:20:19.677+01:00How many paid executives does a diocese have? £65,...How many paid executives does a diocese have? £65,000 p.a. would be the entire annual collection for several(?) parishes.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871618901190898384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-37193806218144503082012-07-17T14:03:24.492+01:002012-07-17T14:03:24.492+01:00Responding to the Point made by Andrew Leach
Para...Responding to the Point made by Andrew Leach<br /><br />Paras 1 and 3 of Schedule 9 of the Equality Act allows a Religious employer to require that an employee is a member of a particular religion where the employer can show that <br /><br />“having regard to the nature or context of the work<br />(a) it is an occupational requirement,<br />(b) the application of the requirement is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”<br /><br />In the case of a "Chief Executive" of a Diocese which by definition would be a high profile public role it would be perfectly acceptable for the Diocese to say that the applicant must be a practicing CAtholic. <br /><br />I see numerous adverts for Clerks for various Anglican Diocese and the adverts (quite properly) say that any applicant must be a Communicant Member of the Anglican Church. If the Diocese of Clifton have decided that their Chief Executive does not need to be a Catholic that is, I suppose, a matter for them but they would certainly have been legally able to insit on a practicing Catholic if they had chosen to do so.<br /><br />Neil Addison (Barrister)<br />Thomas More Legal Centre<br />www.ThomasMoreLegal.org.ukNeil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7220413365052920022012-07-17T13:37:36.652+01:002012-07-17T13:37:36.652+01:00I am afraid that having been nurtured in Portsmout...I am afraid that having been nurtured in Portsmouth the Bishop believes that the parishioners gather money for him to do whatever he likes with. He is not accountable to them in any way as he pursues his idea of `Church` which he as a shepherd will dictate and not Rome.John Kearneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074138642860577242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-21584022838489781342012-07-17T11:59:01.169+01:002012-07-17T11:59:01.169+01:00Dear Fr Ray, Obviously I haven't made myself c...Dear Fr Ray, Obviously I haven't made myself clear. I believe that "decisions about Church finances" SHOULD "only be made" by the Bishop advised by his Vicar General and Chancellor , which latter should be a priest, or at least a religious, and so hopefully by people in a state of grace, or as nearly so as a man (in the latter case, or woman) can be outwith the confessional.<br /><br />There maybe occasions when professional help is needed, that is why we have bank managers, accountants and lawyers.Hughiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10184567496296840443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-13545771603920809342012-07-17T10:00:53.266+01:002012-07-17T10:00:53.266+01:00Hughie,
Gosh, do you mean a bishop can't insis...Hughie,<br />Gosh, do you mean a bishop can't insist that decisions about Church finances can only be made those in a state of grace, and after prayer and fasting, preferable after a novena to the Holy Spirit?<br /><br />Of course in the first millennium, basing its thinking on Acts the Church insisted most finance directors were in diaconal orders.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15589985719793659802012-07-17T08:36:22.545+01:002012-07-17T08:36:22.545+01:00Andrew Leach is quite right in respect of thefirst...Andrew Leach is quite right in respect of thefirst three points he makes:<br /><br />(1)making a particular religious requirement necessary for what is essentially a senior accountant/manager is against the law;<br /><br />(2)it is OK (in law) to say a Catholic priest has to be a Catholic, and;<br /><br />(3)anyone can manage or count.<br /><br />That is why Roman Catholic dioceses have (a) a Bishop (b) a Vicar General and (c) a Chancellor. So why would one need a Chief Executive?Hughiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10184567496296840443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-68499967729705006882012-07-17T05:19:00.275+01:002012-07-17T05:19:00.275+01:00I very much liked your comment that in the case of...I very much liked your comment that in the case of the Diocese of Clifton, ethical, means not overfilling one's kettle. It says such a lot!<br />How sad!JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2950338324146420372012-07-17T00:14:55.527+01:002012-07-17T00:14:55.527+01:00It's interesting. In Humanae Vitae Pope Paul V...It's interesting. In Humanae Vitae Pope Paul VI said that government (I think he stuck to government) should be generous to large families instead of going down the contraceptive route.<br /><br />Perhaps, if Dioceses have £65,000 to give a manager, then there's enough money in the Diocesan kitty to show generosity to those families generous in being open to life?<br /><br />After all, there's probably not that many of them.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-60267656137693892192012-07-16T23:13:50.216+01:002012-07-16T23:13:50.216+01:00Unfortunately, making a particular religious requi...Unfortunately, making a particular religious requirement necessary for what is essentially a senior accountant/manager is against the law. It's ok to say a Catholic <i>priest</i> has to be a Catholic, but anyone can manage or count. Can't they. Of course they can. The government says so.Andrew Leachnoreply@blogger.com