tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post3277818365649255046..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Fr Tim on SORsFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-21141784639398123432007-04-01T18:57:00.000+01:002007-04-01T18:57:00.000+01:00Fr Tim for Bishop - hear hear!!!Fr Tim for Bishop - hear hear!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-44488598032411537552007-03-25T14:20:00.000+01:002007-03-25T14:20:00.000+01:00The research reported in the California Catholic D...The research <A HREF="http://www.calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=396dd44d-4e84-4a59-b60f-680cd64e9e6c" REL="nofollow">reported in the California Catholic Daily</A> looked at "abnormal sexual orientation in rams" and the scientist involved "theorized" that "prenatal treatment to normalize intrauterine hormone levels would be justified to ensure a child’s healthy development." Fessio is quoted as saying that this would be "a wonderful advancement of science." <BR/><BR/>I'm more than happy to accept scientific data whatever it shows - this at the moment is a theoretical possibility extrapolated from work on sheep.<BR/><BR/>However, even to me (i.e. an intellectual slum dwelling fundamentalist torchlight vigilante) this seems potentially rather more offensive to gays than the suggestion that we should all (gay or straight) try to live chastely with the help of prayer, penance and works of charity.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I don't think it is likely that Fessio was asked to resign over this issue. From what I have read, it looks more like a disagreement over recruitment and retention of students - and most probably a clash of personalities.FatherTFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451700981977182260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-19768370603929954662007-03-24T17:08:00.000+00:002007-03-24T17:08:00.000+00:00No, Derek, I would not define fundamentalism in th...No, Derek, I would not define fundamentalism in those terms. A fundamentalist shares with the Catholic a commitment to Newman's "dogmatical principle" in relation to revealed truth, as opposed to the "liberal principle", except that the fundamentalist does not moderate his reception of truth by reference to the <I>consensus fidelium</I>.<BR/><BR/>And no, Jesus did not in general relax the strictures of Jewish Law. He altered the Law as only God could do, dispensing from dietary laws and removing the Mosaic permission of divorce. He interpreted properly what remained of the Law, the Mosaic provisions of which was put out of force altogether at the moment He expired on the Cross.<BR/><BR/>If you read the Gospels accurately you will see that Jesus was not put to death because of what He did with the Law. His enemies out of envy plotted to murder Him as soon as they heard that He had raised Lazarus from the dead, and the Sanhedrin was ready to condemn Him because they were too afraid of the Romans to accept Him as the Messiah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80895922416568337632007-03-24T13:23:00.000+00:002007-03-24T13:23:00.000+00:00With pleasure. A fundamentalist is one who has a...With pleasure. A fundamentalist is one who has a strict, uncritical, immovable adherence to a set of basic ideas or principles, hence the fundamentalism of the extreme conservative, invariably characterised by intolerance of other views. Fundamentalists usually dwell in an intellectual slum. Jesus Christ was not a fundamentalist. He initiated development from a strict observance of the letter of the Jewish law and for this was rewarded by death. The main issue behind St Paul's epistles is the question of obedience to the law, or moving beyond it as Christ did. That is why early Christianity was regarded by the Jewish Church as a heretical sect. If a fundamentalist Jewish attitude had survived the Church would not have developed and might well have disappeared. Look at the circumcision controversy. Thank God for Hellenism which sowed the seed of speculation. The result of that seed is what keeps theology and doctrine alive. Tradition is a dynamic, not a static, force. To hand on does not mean to stay still, as Catholic history proves abundently. You claim to have read the present Holy Father's books under brown wrappers. Have you learnt nothing from them or their methodology?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-67971483433440508322007-03-24T12:30:00.000+00:002007-03-24T12:30:00.000+00:00Derek,I am not sure why Fr Fessio has resigned fro...Derek,<BR/>I am not sure why Fr Fessio has resigned from Ave Maria, the American scene doesn't interest me terribly. <BR/>He has been reported as saying that there is a "gay gene" and therefore homosexuals act through an innate instinct. Whether that is so or not, all of us are called to overcome "instincts" by grace, we are called to live supernaturally. I personally subscribe to the "selfish gene" theory of original sin, grace enables us to move from natural selfishness to supernatural selfgiving.<BR/><BR/>I am not quite sure what people like you mean by "fundamentalist", do you mean people like me who believe Christ and the promises he makes to the Church, and therefore accept the Magisterium, these I call Catholic, or maybe you mean something else. <BR/>Maybe you could define it more clearly for us, and yourself?Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86430249917909252712007-03-24T11:38:00.001+00:002007-03-24T11:38:00.001+00:00Anoymous 2. Actually its a Pizza University. T...Anoymous 2. Actually its a Pizza <BR/>University. The hounding out of Fr Fessio for such a trivial reason is scandalous. But it shows how crazy the fundamentalists are on this issue. I can't help wondering what cans of worms are to be found in their own lives. It's too repellant to contemplate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-25048862607956767592007-03-23T21:38:00.000+00:002007-03-23T21:38:00.000+00:00Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor had done pretty well in m...Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor had done pretty well in making strong public statements. The problem is that they are rarely reported or, if so, put in obscure parts of the page, the BBC rarely includes them in the news, and the Government does not take a blind bit of notice. This would affect any bishop who does the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-57267170189148562382007-03-23T19:58:00.000+00:002007-03-23T19:58:00.000+00:00Hey, mon pere, looked at Whispers in the Loggia la...Hey, mon pere, looked at Whispers in the Loggia lately? It turns out that Fr Fessio's peremptory dismissal from the Doughnut University might be because he has written publicly that there is a possibility that homosexuality might (stress might) be genetically determined. Scientific research is tending towards that conclusion. If so, he suggests, the foetus might be able to be treated in the womb. This won't please the fundies one little bit as. at a stroke, it includes the condition in natural law. Perhaps Tim Finigan has an opening to become his replacement. They like a cut and dried approach out there and nobody is more absolutist on this subject than him. But what if the Church comes to accept these conclusions? The Catechism won't be much help and I expect that the torch-light vigilantes will be catching planes to Rome. Why not publish a link?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15317946351242173672007-03-23T17:25:00.000+00:002007-03-23T17:25:00.000+00:00Or, perhaps even more apt from A Man for All Seaso...Or, perhaps even more apt from <I>A Man for All Seasons</I>:<BR/><BR/>"When statesmen forsake their own private conscience for the sake of their public duties … they lead their country by a short route to chaos."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28622073329627702352007-03-23T16:55:00.000+00:002007-03-23T16:55:00.000+00:00The biggest disappointment here has to be Ruth Kel...The biggest disappointment here has to be Ruth Kelly, who said these Regulations were a big step forward.<BR/><BR/>Allow me to paraphrase St Thomas More's words to Richard Rich for what he did to remain Attorney-General for Wales:<BR/><BR/>"Ruth, the Lord said that it did not profit a man to gain the whole world if he lost his soul. The whole world, Ruth ... but for the Department for Communities and Local Government?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-20560567472081230612007-03-23T14:19:00.000+00:002007-03-23T14:19:00.000+00:00Seconded. In all seriousness, though, it's vitally...Seconded. In all seriousness, though, it's vitally important that we have good, solid, brave bishops, who are prepared to put their heads on the block.<BR/><BR/>Bishop Tartaglia is right - so is his fellow-scot at Motherwell, Bishop Devine. <BR/><BR/>The rest of us need to be ready as well to do our bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6008702037829155252007-03-23T13:49:00.000+00:002007-03-23T13:49:00.000+00:00There is as much chance of Tim Finigan becoming bi...There is as much chance of Tim Finigan becoming bishop as there is of Joanna Bogle becoming prime minister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-20938826814386298772007-03-23T13:46:00.000+00:002007-03-23T13:46:00.000+00:00Militant gay activists will not risk provoking Mus...Militant gay activists will not risk provoking Muslims, believe me. They're too nervous of activating retaliatory action. As we know from recent events, it's not very nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com