tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post3350382465398838384..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Climate ChangeFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-43889893674122782472009-12-03T22:53:44.823+00:002009-12-03T22:53:44.823+00:00Don't be too hard on left-wingers. It's no...Don't be too hard on left-wingers. It's not their fault, they are just bound by their physical impossibility of admitting error.Pedrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07140194427412152215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-9014879915438409802009-12-02T20:18:18.823+00:002009-12-02T20:18:18.823+00:00Crux, the oil companies will win either way. and A...Crux, the oil companies will win either way. and Al Gore stands to make <i>billions of dollars</i><br /><br />I wonder what Al Gore means in Arabic? It sounds Arabic?johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7972717197220276802009-12-02T15:18:36.058+00:002009-12-02T15:18:36.058+00:00I'm no scientist so I've yet to be convinc...I'm no scientist so I've yet to be convinced one way or the other. However I can see that some (eg oil companies) have a lot to gain from climate change denial.Crux Fidelishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03949811845963570447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-64753757703069156682009-12-02T15:18:36.059+00:002009-12-02T15:18:36.059+00:00Visit http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org
for the S...Visit http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org<br /><br />for the SPPI monthly CO2 report and much more.<br /><br />Remember that the computer models they use to predict the futire state of the climate generate hypothetical projections. These are tested against observed data.<br /><br />If the hypothesis doesn't fit the data it's disproved. If it does, the hypothesis lives to fight another day.<br /><br />That's how science is done.<br /><br />Just the same, the climate doomsayers ought not to be derided. You can't exclude the possibility that they might be proved right.<br /><br />We know that God is in control of the forces of nature, but He has put us on notice to respect them, because some of them are dangerous.Michael Petekhttp://www.crownofdavid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6284951980599559092009-12-02T14:28:03.898+00:002009-12-02T14:28:03.898+00:00Father I agree with the points made by other comme...Father I agree with the points made by other commentators. The wheels I hope are coming off this bandwagon. The last of the faithful will no doubt be the BBC, who is still doing its best to put a positive spin on the news coming out of the CRU in East Anglia.<br /><br />The earth is in an interglacial period. The terrifying thought is that a new ice age might be due rather than the earth overheating. Some scientists claim that it could happen in months - it might not be a gradual change.<br /><br />Archbishop Nichols is one of Churchmen leading a march in London to protest against climate change. 'Stop climate chaos' They urge global politicians to adopt more stringent measures to curb carbon dioxide.<br /><br />There will be a blue wave around parliament. (Are they hoping for a walls of Jericho effect?)<br /><br />Which planet are they actually on? Do they really wish to trash the whole economy? If so, how are we to support the Third World? How are we to support Archbishop Nichols and his ilk for that matter?<br /><br />Some climate zealots also claim that the effects of current CO2 levels will be felt on earth for centuries. It would be better therefore if we stopped wasting money in curbing CO2 and if sea levels are really rising to put into effect more flood defences and assisting more vulnerable nations such as Bangladesh.johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24546033448544474972009-12-02T14:25:17.435+00:002009-12-02T14:25:17.435+00:00Interesting post Father. I have just discovered th...Interesting post Father. I have just discovered the following blogsite - with a revealing and excellent analysis of the current 'global warming'etc. paranoia. http://leg-iron.livejournal.com/264655.html <br />Well worth a read!umblepiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455889107917179909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49392769738229956802009-12-02T11:47:49.612+00:002009-12-02T11:47:49.612+00:00Thank you Michael Petek
I wonder how much heat is ...Thank you Michael Petek<br />I wonder how much heat is in fact reflected from polar ice. <br />At the same time I wonder how much ice would melt if the temperature rose from -40 to -30 centigrade.<br /><br />It is not that I deny the I deny the problem. Rather I suspect that some of the warnings seem to need better explanation.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036933832060349206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84104392429321127972009-12-02T11:04:03.822+00:002009-12-02T11:04:03.822+00:00Paricius you are absolutely right, we need to be s...Paricius you are absolutely right, we need to be suspicious. As in the case of vaccines (supposedly tetanus) being used against people who weren’t aware of the fact that they were being sterilized, as was the case in the Philippines. What we need is to concentrate on our souls as they will continue forever either in the presence of God’s Glory or in Hell. Makes global warming or cooling pale down to insignificance, but while we are in this world we need to deal with its problems and bring truth to the forefront.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06121562422631804938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-17119400102617486102009-12-02T10:18:58.832+00:002009-12-02T10:18:58.832+00:00Peter - as the unbiased 'Real Science' tha...Peter - as the unbiased 'Real Science' that is non IPCC or UN funded (see and listen to Chris Moncktons lecture - link given in my earlier post above), points clearly to the fact that we are moving into a period of global cooling, the ice caps will remain healthy perhaps even expand to a degree - so there is no problem. <br /><br />Oh and by the way especially for those children reading this blog - the Polar Bear population has been dramatically increasing over the last forty or more years. Their numbers are healthy. The 'AGW' image of a poor lonely tearful polar bear cub floating away into the wild yonder on a small iceberg is pure made-up 'bunkum'!<br /><br />Shame we're not getting some global warming down here in the UK really - looking at the miserable weather outside I was rather hoping for some climate warming down in London in my lifetime - oh well! God knows precisely what he is doing. Jesus - I trust in Thee.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13031618301013986930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48640226866203521062009-12-02T07:30:02.651+00:002009-12-02T07:30:02.651+00:00I can answer Peter's first question quite easi...I can answer Peter's first question quite easily.<br /><br />The melt of the Arctic ice will not of itself cause sea levels to rise because it floats on water already. Antarctic ice lies on top of a continent.<br /><br />But if they melt, then they lose their albedo effect, which is theit propensity to reflect the heat of the sun instead of absorbing it.Michael Petekhttp://www.crownofdavid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2039462745155433552009-12-02T00:05:35.804+00:002009-12-02T00:05:35.804+00:00Thank you Father.
Can a reader help me with the sc...Thank you Father.<br />Can a reader help me with the science?<br />1<br />If the Arctic ice and the ice around Antarctica melts why should sea levels rise: the ice is floating on the water and displacing water equivalent to the frozen water the ice is made of?<br />2<br />If global warming melts the ice on the Antarctic land or Greenland or the temperature of the sea rises so as to expand the water volume this might cause sea levels to rise. But would this not be partly offset by warmer air holding more water?<br />3<br />How does the surface area of the oceans compare to Antarctica and Greenland, presumably many times greater? So would losing an average of one yard of snow from these land areas cause sea levels to rise by as much as an inch?<br /><br />There may be complications to this as the ice is salt free unlike the oceans and the sea temperatures are related to the pressure of the depth. I suspect that these are at the margins of the calculations. A reader might be able to explain if not.<br /><br />I think that the case for conserving the environment may be overstated and so weakened. Meanwhile as I cycle 7 miles or so to work in the morning I feel that I am "doing my bit" for the environment. But beyond a general advice to conserve the earth is there a religious angle to this? I fear that clergy who take a strong view may be speaking on a subject for which they have no training and for which the faithful may reasonably dispute the issue.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036933832060349206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-85775082449377850832009-12-01T23:09:47.458+00:002009-12-01T23:09:47.458+00:00Well Jack, revelation involves Tradition as well, ...Well Jack, revelation involves Tradition as well, there I read, "the wealth of the earth belongs to all".Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-4863052051246095342009-12-01T23:00:35.083+00:002009-12-01T23:00:35.083+00:00I am always instinctively suspicious of anything s...I am always instinctively suspicious of anything so pushed by the government, 5-a-day, swine flu, climate change etc...I see the marring of peoples' souls by sin and the overthrow of their minds by idolatry and ideologies as more important than ''climate change'' which is something I consider to be beyond human means to curtail or control, if indeed it is as big a problem as people make out in the first place. I wonder if mere indifference to the whole thing is the answer?Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8538700447988792862009-12-01T21:42:08.890+00:002009-12-01T21:42:08.890+00:00Its now a sin to be wealthy? when will someone tel...Its now a sin to be wealthy? when will someone tell the kennedy faimly ?<br /><br />seriously Fr I don't see anything in the Bible about being judged because one brought to many individually wrapped chocolates (which will remain wrapped until Christmas Day) I can understand the blind persuit of wealth for wealth's sake being sinful but merely wanting to earn enough to send any future kids to good i.e. expensive Catholic schools/ be able to afford to homeschool and keep your family fed seems perfectly ok.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59739133498697462822009-12-01T21:25:49.071+00:002009-12-01T21:25:49.071+00:00CAFOD, SCIAF, Justice and Peace, Cardinal Keith O&...CAFOD, SCIAF, Justice and Peace, Cardinal Keith O'Brien. They're all telling us that Copenhagen MUST succeed. They are all telling us that WE must tell our leaders that we want a binding treaty that will do X, Y and Z. <br /><br />Yet all the Catholic bloggers that I have read are all sceptical about the whole business. This is fascinating (and encouraging). OK, I haven't read an enormous number of Catholic bloggers so maybe there are some out there who are AGW believers. Does anybody know of any? (And I'm not talking about people who are part of the CAFOD/SCIAF/J+P establishment.)Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-75705869273792860502009-12-01T21:18:43.370+00:002009-12-01T21:18:43.370+00:00Ge0rge
The link you give does not come out underl...Ge0rge<br /> The link you give does not come out underlined which means instant access is not easy. You may have either left out something or even put too much into the linkage.Michael Cliftonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00568515640292864739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15763802949877020912009-12-01T20:51:24.095+00:002009-12-01T20:51:24.095+00:00...and another thing.
It is a good idea to cut ou......and another thing.<br /><br />It is a good idea to cut our dependence on fossil fuels to avoid filling the coffers of Mohammedan despots or fundamentalists who then use the cash to fund the destruction of the West through Wahhabist fifth columnists.<br /><br />God made algae for a good reason....Paulinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07764882488839589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-82745365090649662982009-12-01T18:58:30.138+00:002009-12-01T18:58:30.138+00:00It's a bit like the ever changing messages we ...It's a bit like the ever changing messages we get about what we should or should not eat or drink. What is very good for us one week suddenly beocmes very bad for us the next week. (Do you remember "Go to work on an egg"?) I suspect we need to adopt a food/drink attitude of everything in moderation and nothing in excess.<br /><br />I have no intention of using these silly new light bulbs unless it becomes absolutely unavoidable because I don't want to make my eyes any worse than they already are. I am well prepared!<br /><br />As someone else has noted above, this has always happened. At one time the Thames regularly became as ice rink in winter.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11447511252614433412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90077776357352414202009-12-01T18:53:02.125+00:002009-12-01T18:53:02.125+00:00Climate change is the 21st century religion. Peopl...Climate change is the 21st century religion. People now see themselves as gods both arrogant and wayward. They believe they have a serious impact on climate and can stop any predicted disasters from happening by getting rid of 4by4 cars etc. <br /><br />The money spent on these Global Summits would be far better off given to the poorer countries instead pampering an already over pampered minority.<br /><br />God knows perfectly well how to run this world after all He created it. The Bible clearly states that God both created and maintains the universe as an expression of His love. But only a few people will face these facts because it requires them to make peace with their maker.<br /><br />On the other hand, this is big business<br /><br />"Scientists who want to attract attention to themselves, who want to attract great funding to themselves, have to (find a) way to scare the public . . . and this you can achieve only by making things bigger and more dangerous than they really are."<br />Petr Chylek<br />(Professor of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia)Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06121562422631804938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11445609036646342242009-12-01T18:39:52.460+00:002009-12-01T18:39:52.460+00:00For a well balanced, non-politically motivated, ra...For a well balanced, non-politically motivated, rational, factually and scientifically backed<br />refutal of the Al Gore 'Wagon Train' of Hot-housers and his unscientific indeed verging on the criminal, fudging of presented data see Lord Chris Monkton's most recent video recording of a lecture presented in October this year in St Paul's Minnesota. <br /><br />I've long been a sceptic of this Anthropogenic CO2 Global Warming stuff ever since in fact Professor David Bellamy the 'cockney' Botanist called it junk science and a load of poppycock.<br /><br />Follow this link to what I believe is the definitive and most open and honest representation of the facts as we know and understand them to date: <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8&feature=player_embedded<br /><br />Make your own minds up about the sinister agendas behind all this - one world government, green lizards, aliens, the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, Masons, with of course the Devil beating the drums and setting the pace for all this chaos!Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13031618301013986930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24173877413999017222009-12-01T18:05:28.395+00:002009-12-01T18:05:28.395+00:00Michael,
"Blogger" seems to be playing u...Michael,<br />"Blogger" seems to be playing up today, I keep having to press publish several times.<br />I have deleted nothing today, so blame "blogger".Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41201101743497288292009-12-01T17:50:27.156+00:002009-12-01T17:50:27.156+00:00To look on the Bright-Side,more BILLIONAIRES have ...To look on the Bright-Side,more BILLIONAIRES have been created since the start of "Global Warming Climate Change Exchanges"started.With a bit of luck some of these "Nouveau-Riche"may be stricken down like Saul and repent their GREED.<br /><br />Some of us who are being persecuted the most were brought up in a different climate,we never wasted anything,we actually collected salvage and got our pocket money for it.All left-over food was fed to the Pigs or other livestock,we were indoctrinated into thrift.<br /><br />What exactly are they going to talk about in Copenhagen? Do they think they can change Nature? If we turned everything off in whole World it would not alter the will of Nature one Iota.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803733028691380861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-13560821012726353132009-12-01T17:47:01.857+00:002009-12-01T17:47:01.857+00:00What happened to the content of my second posting?...What happened to the content of my second posting?Michael Petekhttp://www.crownofdavid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34895874417955319362009-12-01T16:58:11.896+00:002009-12-01T16:58:11.896+00:00I hear what people say here, and I say again that ...I hear what people say here, and I say again that the real elephant in the room is peak hydrocarbons.<br /><br />In 1800 ninety-five per cent of the primary energy used in the economy came from the muscular strength of humans and animals. Today it's one per cent.<br /><br />Given that the earth receives from the Sun several times more energy that the entire human race consumes in a year, how do we harness it?<br /><br />See the cover article in the November issue of Scientific American for an idea of how to do this.<br /><br />There's also some interesting materialon the website of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers.Michael Petekhttp://www.crownofdavid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-72612824113334101482009-12-01T16:58:11.893+00:002009-12-01T16:58:11.893+00:00The climate change agenda is dressed up as 'we...The climate change agenda is dressed up as 'we're doing this for Africa and the poor'.<br /><br />However, given that the priorities of Western nations, governments, G8 etc are so skewed in favour of the West/G8 that Pope Benedict XVI feels compelled to write an entire cyclical on the scale and nature of the injustice, for some niggling reason, I doubt very much whether 'concern for the poor' is motivating the Copenhagen summit at all.<br /><br />There must be another motivation to do with making money and subjugating Africa, lest the continent think of becoming wealthy or powerful. <br /><br />I expect that in a couple of years time we'll have carbon credit cards telling us how many times a day we can break wind.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.com