tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post3658336720089321929..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Francis against 'orthodoxy'?Fr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18748328368089192762014-07-23T18:12:36.153+01:002014-07-23T18:12:36.153+01:00I've come to the conclusion, like Timothy Grah...I've come to the conclusion, like Timothy Graham, that it is best to ignore Francis. We have been spoiled in our recent lifetime by having pontiffs who were prolific in wisdom. Conversely, it can actually be dangerous to hang on Jorge's every word. As others have said, watchfulness on ex cathedra statements is another matter. And we can be sure all eyes and ears will be focused on the outcome of this upcoming synod.<br /><br />Unfortunately, damage of *expectation* has already been set in place regardless. If and when Familiaris Consortio is confirmed and reiterated, like the aftermath of Humanae Vitae, dissenting blowback will uptick exponentially.<br /><br />Thus the overall scenario is decline. Can we work through the 5 stages of grief to acceptance? This is the glide path to prophesied mass apostasy. The reality of Judas wasn't a pretty picture. Neither is the winding down of the temporal era. Each individual's goal should be being numbered among the remnant. Plead for Grace and do whatever it takes to remain in the Ark.groovsmythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105234091617210187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39489694633135419052014-07-19T14:48:55.821+01:002014-07-19T14:48:55.821+01:00Fr,
If your translation is accurate (and the key w...Fr,<br />If your translation is accurate (and the key word here is 'if'....trust the reporters?..I don't think so) it goes beyond heresy, in my opinion, it is diabolical.<br /><br />First of all, these 'off the cuff' spontaneous interviews that Francis is giving, NEED to STOP. Does he not realize that they are causing much confusion among the faithful? Someone needs to tell him in no uncertain terms that he is causing damage within the Church, presuming of course he is being manipulated by the secular press.<br /><br />As for me, I will wait for the Synod to see what will be determined. I think that will be our barameter. TLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16185788425122984772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-62598000010649385832014-07-16T14:16:52.896+01:002014-07-16T14:16:52.896+01:00Geoff, St Catherine of Sienna spoke to the Pope in...Geoff, St Catherine of Sienna spoke to the Pope in person and through personal correspondence. She didn't publish her concerns and advice publicly. If someone in a family does something of concern, one approaches that person privately, as St Catherine did, rather than airing one's brother's perceived faults on the internet for the world to scoff at him. We Catholics are brothers and sisters in Christ and should not take part in character assassination. If someone has a concern about the Pope he or she should pray for him and could also write to him, as St Catherine did, and set out those concerns and what the writer believes the Pope should do to remedy the perceived problem. As for St Thomas Aquinas, when did he publicly criticise the Pope? I have no knowledge of this.Aussiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264823755596364527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18294851295633853512014-07-15T23:47:17.207+01:002014-07-15T23:47:17.207+01:00Well Father Ray is Pope Francis against Catholicis...Well Father Ray is Pope Francis against Catholicism? <br />I think he is simply for everything except Catholicism when Catholicism does not agree with his heterodoxy. I suppose you might say he is for Catholicism when it agrees with his own opinions and against Catholicism when it does not. Is that a fair summary? In short he's a nightmare in white! TLMWxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720022091832839393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-62147554390904530292014-07-15T15:17:48.929+01:002014-07-15T15:17:48.929+01:00Ann Frost:
So when St Catherine of Sienna critici...Ann Frost:<br /><br />So when St Catherine of Sienna criticised the Holy Father she was being un-Catholic.<br />And when st Thomas of Aquinas criticised the holy Father He too was being un-catholic???????geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89506883889496892542014-07-15T14:50:06.779+01:002014-07-15T14:50:06.779+01:00Correction required in my last comment, third-last...Correction required in my last comment, third-last line (obviously): substitute "untrue" for "true". Professor Robert de Mattei, in his letter to the Director of Radio Maria, Fr Fanzago, described very well our duty to oppose error wherever it comes from (14 Feb, 2014). Rorate Coeli, amongst others published text in English. The truth is still what it was before Pope Francis became pope - it hasn't changed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-88741539636902395312014-07-15T13:27:12.444+01:002014-07-15T13:27:12.444+01:00p.s. given my peasantish powers of deduction this ...p.s. given my peasantish powers of deduction this is what I think I can safely conclude regarding the POV of Catholics when it comes to enemies of the faith from high up to the bottom rung: Catholics who hold to the position of sedevacantism say that an enemy of the Faith can in no wise be pope; whereas pretty much all other Catholics are agreed - an enemy of the Faith can most certainly be pope; then the more pharisaic Catholics say that it cannot be concluded whether one is an enemy of the Faith without a great high-ranking Church declaration with much fanfare - yet no one seems at all bothered in the aggiornamento heirarchy to declare that the Faith has any enemies left at all (unless they be rosary counting Catholic-bats, torturers, WMD makers, and the mafia); therefore, if the nominee for enemy of the Faith is also a nominee for pope, no one can conlude that a pope, even if he be an enemy of the Faith, is, in fact, an enemy of the Faith; because, it's not his actually being an enemy to the Faith which counts but the declaration regarding his being an enemy to the Faith. As far as I can tell, therefore, a papal claimant could, in theory, openly promote every error and openly suppress every virtue and unless there are some virtuous, but probably already suppressed, Cardinals willing to make any sort of declaration - no one has the right even to notice that he is enemy of the Faith.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-19583641871186209942014-07-15T12:58:32.093+01:002014-07-15T12:58:32.093+01:00To all who Make comments like, "The Holy Spir...To all who Make comments like, "The Holy Spirit runs the church and because he ensured the Election of a pope they can do no wrong", "Loyalty to the Holy Father is essential, "I cant believe people would doubt the Holy Father.<br /><br />Not withstanding that the Holy Father is the vicar of Christ on earth, it must be remembered the he is only infallible when speaking 'ex cathedra' (from the Chair of Peter)on matters of Faith and Morals.<br />He is not impeccable and therefore quite able to , make mistakes.<br />What of the likes of St Catherine of Sienna (Doctor of the Church) She made no bones about criticising the Pope of her time.<br />And what of Pope Alexander. He was the one that led the church for a number of years with his girlfriend and his harem and his mistresses in the Vatican with him all at the same time. Even when 'saying Mass' and giving audiences to priests and bishops and the laity.<br /> Where was our Lord when this was going on.? I can just Picture our Lord sitting up there just shaking his head and with tears in his eyes Don't get me wrong on this. I believe Francis is properly elected and the vicar of Christ on earth and we pray daily for him and the Church. But what if he started trying to preach/teach heresy?? We as faithful and informed Catholics have an obligation first to the Church to protect her doctrines as handed down from the apostles <br />I always thought one had to die first before one could be canonised. <br /> geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24682124240056443982014-07-15T09:45:06.642+01:002014-07-15T09:45:06.642+01:00George: First of all I would say that whilst JPII...George: First of all I would say that whilst JPII's denunciation of the Iraq war may have had little effect at the time I think many people will have thought about it subsequently. It has certainly led me to think he was right and I was wrong! Next time I hope I will pay more attention.<br /><br />I would agree with you that a Pope could denounce something and even excommunicate someone for disobeying him if he had made it clear that he would do so. However there is the primacy of conscience as to the facts (not the doctrine) and if I genuinely believed after thorough inquiry that he had got his facts wrong then I could still disobey him. After all there must have been occasions when excommunications were wrongfully applied.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-60058061904020440622014-07-15T07:36:35.694+01:002014-07-15T07:36:35.694+01:00Re: Bergoglio - How validly elected is this:
“I’m...Re: Bergoglio - How validly elected is this:<br /><br />“I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism...There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those."<br /><br />The mission of Christ is something that Bergoglio calls 'solemn nonsense'. This alone should be enough to have us wanting to to cry out 'anathema'; rather than murmur pleasantries. But alas, who has the faith anymore? We would rather, these days, politely stay on-side with satan, than look like an 'addict' of that outdated fashion the Rock of Christ. <br /><br />p.s. "Our Lady was human! And perhaps she even had the desire to say: ‘Lies! I was deceived!"<br /><br />"I also think with affection of those Muslim immigrants who this evening begin the fast of Ramadan, which I trust will bear abundant spiritual fruit."<br /><br />“It was very simple," replied the priest. "On the first day I took him by the ear and said pointing to the crucifix, 'That was a Jew like you, if you misbehave, you will end up the same.'" End of a Bergoglio joke.<br /><br />"Pelagian current. It's like turning back 60 years! They count rosaries... Please, don't laugh." After Bergoglio was gifted rosaries by faitful 'pelagian' 'catholic bats' and 'old maids'.<br /><br />p.s.s. the list of what an utter enemy of the Faith Bergoglio is, is ridiculously long and growing everytime he opens his mouth in public; this list is also something we just aren't willing to take seriously. Why?Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-47277304864164321852014-07-14T23:58:01.657+01:002014-07-14T23:58:01.657+01:00Ann Frost: So true ann. I just wish he would top m...Ann Frost: So true ann. I just wish he would top making these confusing statementsgeoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52634900630150892102014-07-14T23:42:09.144+01:002014-07-14T23:42:09.144+01:00 Nicolas, I see where you are going. But I still... Nicolas, I see where you are going. But I still have concerns. In teaching on matter of Faith or Morals, surely the Pope can use practical examples. Is his power limited in merely defining what an unjust war is? Or does it extend to pronouncing the imminent start of an unjust war? It would seem to me that he can do the latter. He could excommunicate any Catholic for participating in a certain conflict which he declared as an unjust war. He could censure of place under interdict any nation going forward with an unjust war. <br /><br /><br /><br /> Would you agree?Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835223918176453873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49564098550030570982014-07-14T21:32:32.387+01:002014-07-14T21:32:32.387+01:00There is no fidelity to anything which is in oppos...There is no fidelity to anything which is in opposition to the unchanging and unchangeable Deposit of Faith and morals. On the contrary. The Faith does not change. Morality does not change. Catholics are bound to stay true to Faith and Reason. The Faith is never unreasonable, though it is much more than reason. There is fidelity due to the unchanging Magisterium, and a particular pope insofar as what he says or does is not in opposition to the doctrine of the Faith, to Sacred Tradition, to the truth, and He Who Is Truth. To support something that is true as a matter of reason or Faith because it is said or done by a pope, is to be disloyal to the Church, the unchanging Holy Faith, and to contribute to bringing it into disrepute. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-62635141702953408322014-07-14T20:41:27.595+01:002014-07-14T20:41:27.595+01:00Having already granted an atheist newspaper editor...Having already granted an atheist newspaper editor one interview whose words were misquoted and caused grave scandal, to give a second such interview to the same man, with no notes and no recording made, is downright bizarre. It was naturally bound to cause further scandal, misunderstanding and harm to the Church, and it has done so.<br />Whatever Pope Francis's motives, his judgement is now definitely in question. <br />The Pope is the Vicar of Christ in that he embodies the visible unity of the Church, which is Christ. To sow discord and doubt about the deposit of faith or to set one political party or area of the globe or liturgical form against another, contradicts this role.John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-67028266508339262992014-07-14T19:24:00.306+01:002014-07-14T19:24:00.306+01:00But George was he not making a prudential judgemen...But George was he not making a prudential judgement which is not binding on the faithful? It seems to me that a Pope can make a prudential judgement on particular facts and say that to act in a particular way would be very wrong. But it may be that he has got the particular facts wrong and therefore such a judgement cannot be binding on the faithful. Of course his judgement should be regarded with the greatest respect but I do not think we are bound in obedience to him in the way a religious or cleric could be. Ann Frost mentions the suppression of the Jesuits but they were bound in obedience. But even then it would have been perfectly proper for a lay person to criticise the decision of the Pope. Of course one should not attack the Pope personally but we are entitled to discuss what he says and comment thereon. A Pope's infallibility is strictly limited and he is therefore not above making mistakes particularly where he might be misinformed as to the facts of a situation.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49558839069173907592014-07-14T16:00:57.774+01:002014-07-14T16:00:57.774+01:00Criticism of the Pope is un-Catholic. It is someth...Criticism of the Pope is un-Catholic. It is something Protestants have historically done. <br /><br />Father John A. Hardon SJ has highlighted that TRUST in Christ and LOYALTY to His Vicar on earth go hand in glove. He offers St Joseph Pignatelli SJ to us as an example of fidelity whose witness might also be a source of consolation, inspiration and encouragement for the Franciscans of the Immaculata in their present sufferings.<br /><br />Of St Pignatelli and his fellow Jesuits, Father Hardon says: " ... what loyalty! Loyalty to the hand that stabs you. Provided that you believe that hand is guided by the hand of God ... Out of the 23,000 Jesuits put out of existence in 1773 ... there is not a single evidence of a public criticism of the Pope ... One of the providential reasons for the suppression of the order with such dire consequences, was TO GIVE THE WORLD THE LESSON OF FIDELITY, even under duress." (Emphasis mine). The whole article can be read at http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Saints/Saints_018.htm<br /><br />Pope Francis was validly elected to the Chair of Peter. Hence he is not an anti-pope but our Holy Father owed filial love and respect. Aussiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264823755596364527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-83224838394129533232014-07-14T13:56:27.598+01:002014-07-14T13:56:27.598+01:00""Well I think a very large proportion o...""Well I think a very large proportion of the public in the UK, regrettably not myself being fooled by Blair, actually agreed with JPII in his denunciation.""<br /><br />Nicolas, people may have agreed with the pope's position, but very few people saw JPII's position as in any way binding on the faithful. We had been deluged with so much from him that was treated by the Catholic world as prudential judgments requiring our attention at the most, but not strict obedience.<br /><br /> <br />""And what are those "strange things"? I seem to have missed them. Give us one or two examples.""<br /><br />Obviously, the extreme stuff would be Assisi. But even his position on Capital Punishment. It wasn't "traditional". Not only was it not traditional (in accordance with the perennial understanding of the state and capital punishment), but he also failed to enforce his teaching. Catholics were free to believe or not believe it. We were encouraged to believe it, but not made to believe it. It all and all established an environment which met his 2003 denouncement of the war as just another "opinion" from the pope.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835223918176453873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61296726131914770142014-07-14T11:18:32.129+01:002014-07-14T11:18:32.129+01:00Why oh why is Pope Francis continuing to give inte...Why oh why is Pope Francis continuing to give interviews to a journalist who neither takes notes, nor records what is said? Does the journalist have a photographic memory? I very much doubt it.<br /><br />People have pointed out that what he is quoted as saying is not 'ex cathedra' but the harm is done when the world's press extracts quotes from these interviews to suit their own agenda.Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-74606379285879346622014-07-14T10:32:23.629+01:002014-07-14T10:32:23.629+01:00George: You wrote "I would offer as evidence...George: You wrote "I would offer as evidence what happened in 2003, when Pope John Paul II denounced the US/UK war against Iraq. The American and British Catholic worlds pretty much blew off the Holy Father. By that time in his pontificate, JP II had done and said so many strange things that many,..."<br /><br />Well I think a very large proportion of the public in the UK, regrettably not myself being fooled by Blair, actually agreed with JPII in his denunciation. <br />And what are those "strange things"? I seem to have missed them. Give us one or two examples.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-88461579283397153742014-07-14T09:47:37.184+01:002014-07-14T09:47:37.184+01:00"All this verbiage will end in a heap of ash ..."All this verbiage will end in a heap of ash and dust .... I, for one, trust in the Holy Spirit, who runs the Church." <br /><br />Thank you Supertradmum. You have stated my thoughts and stance as well. Attacks on the Pope by members of the Church are shocking and painful, and leave me almost speechless. <br /><br />Holy Mother, protect the Pope.Aussiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264823755596364527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-1962803038483235652014-07-14T04:13:47.436+01:002014-07-14T04:13:47.436+01:00And, of course, the Pope ought not to have mention...And, of course, the Pope ought not to have mentioned celibacy in a conversation about child molestation by members of the clergy. The only relationship that the gift of celibacy could have to the evil of sexual assaults by priests would be that true celibacy, inextricably connected to a virtuous life, would make the latter very much less likely to occur among priests as a whole. As for the individual priest, if he is truly celibate and leading a virtuous life, he would never intentionally sexually assault anyone, never mind a child. On the contrary, a priest who rejects, or is lax in respect of sexual morality is not one who can be practising celibacy in its fullness, as it involves the whole person. <br /><br />Celibacy as taught by the Church, is a beautiful profound gift, which can only make the one who adopts it a more holy person, and a more holy priest. That, of course, is not to say, that a married man cannot be a good priest. Celibacy, as understood by the Church (not as erroneously portrayed by the world that hates the Church) is never a problem that needs a solution. Rather, there are problems of immorality, disobedience, heresy, and apostasy among priests, there are problems of seminaries that teach or promote immorality, heresies, that oppose the Deposit of Faith, and there are problems of a shortage of children brought up to know and love the Faith and who are willing to respond to their vocation (needless to say, there is just a fraction of the children that there ought to be across Catholic families). Many who are priests, including bishops, ought never to have become priests, as they never were true to the full Deposit of Faith. Many of the heretical or apostate "liberal" priests describe why they became priests in such terms as makes it clear that they did not ascribe to the true Faith, but a false one of their own making, and perhaps promoted at their seminary. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41804490374873013002014-07-14T03:01:47.498+01:002014-07-14T03:01:47.498+01:00Pope Francis is responsible for giving these terri...Pope Francis is responsible for giving these terrible interviews with Scalfari and other enemies of God and His Holy Church. These statements do not uphold the truths of the Faith, and the Natural Law, but undermine them.<br /><br /> As for calling people "paedophiles", this is again an obfuscation of the truth. There are priests who have been accused of rape or sexual assault of minors (many of these have not had any due process, some accused after death or when very infirm and unable to defend themselves, there are others who maintain their innocence, and against whom there is no corroborative evidence, Many, if not most of these have never been formally charged by civil authorities.)<br /><br />Then there are those who have actually been convicted under various civil jurisictions' criminal justice systems - these are very few. However, we know that many of these trials took place in a very hostile and biased environment. In some cases, it is apparent this bias contaminated the proceedings. Fr Gordon MacRae is one priest whose trial was clearly unfair, and where there was not only not sufficient evidence to convict but enough to show that the purported acts which comprised the actus reus of the alleged crimes never occurred. Twenty years later and this innocent priest is still in prison - a most egregious continuing miscarriage of justice.)<br /><br />No person, including a priest, "is a paedophile". Rather, there are persons, including a very small number (though one is too many) who have sexually assaulted children, including by rape. (Those who have been accused, maintain their innocence, and where there has been no due process or any corroborating evidence cannot reasonably, or justly, be stated to be guilty.] No person has been created with a desire to sexually assault a child (or anyone) - objectively evil acts are done by abuse of one's free will. Of course, there may be facts that tend to mitigate an individual's culpability, where the intellect and the will have been damaged. <br /><br />As for "solutions", the solution is for the Church leaders to teach, govern and sanctify in accordance with the unchanging and unchangeable truths of the Deposit of Faith, of objective morality. It is the same solution for the crisis of the Church as a whole, of which significant numbers of ordained assaulting children, without the proper moral response, without the operation of Divine or canonical law, procedural and substantive, etc. is just one of many, many rotten fruits. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-773851551805240462014-07-13T22:20:44.570+01:002014-07-13T22:20:44.570+01:00All this verbage will end in a heap of ash and dus...All this verbage will end in a heap of ash and dust. Orhodoxy is merely the adherence to a set of ideas, and in the case of the Catholic Church, these are the ideas of God.<br /><br />Those who want over and over to change the Mind of Christ, to depart from the Revelation of both the Old and New Testament, as well as from the Tradition of the Church, will end up in great disappointment.<br /><br />Those who are worried about this pope being an apostate are mistaken. What is said in a sound bit, purposefully misconstrued by a hostile Vatican and Italian press is NOT the same as something said from the Chair of Peter.<br /><br />I, for one, trust in the Holy Spirit, who runs the Church.Supertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-85467793920978780972014-07-13T21:26:48.475+01:002014-07-13T21:26:48.475+01:00Thank you, Viterbo, for not giving in to the terri...Thank you, Viterbo, for not giving in to the terrible, all-pervasive pressure from apostates/heretics within the Church, our family, to mock Our Lord God, and acquiesce to, or cooperate with Satan and his minions. Blessed Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle [and it is raging "within" the Church] . . . We must be prepared to be hated by many, including priests, bishops and those we love especially, as family members. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-66401193633829296582014-07-13T16:03:13.563+01:002014-07-13T16:03:13.563+01:00Father,
On the heels of Pope Francis' purport...<br />Father,<br /><br />On the heels of Pope Francis' purported statements to a delegation of Evangelicals, I have one major concern about criticizing this, or any Pope. When the time comes for us to coalesce around him over a highly controversial matter, we will not be united -- specifically among we the "orthodox" Catholics, we will be divided in how or when to unite behind him.<br /><br />I would offer as evidence what happened in 2003, when Pope John Paul II denounced the US/UK war against Iraq. The American and British Catholic worlds pretty much blew off the Holy Father. By that time in his pontificate, JP II had done and said so many strange things that many, if not most, faithful Catholics (Conservatives and Trads, alike) brushed off his denouncement as another in a series of merely prudential judgments that should be treated as suspect, rather than given immediate assent.<br /><br />Pope Francis is already done this road. We could take his comments in the best light possible. His comments on the moral (or immoral) economy are largely condemned by American and British Whig Catholics. His comments on matters such as the meeting with the Evangelical delegation are treated as soft apostasy by conservatives and traditionalists. How many of these same conservatives are standing outside Protestant Churches, Jewish Synagogues, or Islamic Mosques waiting to evangelize the various congregants as they depart their worship services? NONE. Yet, we criticize Pope Francis for stating the obvious -- we live in an era when conversions through direct proselytization is at the best imprudent, and probably highly counter-productive. At any rate, why not give *some* time to examining Francis' comments through as generous lens as possible? Like I stated above, the less than generous approach may come back to bite us when we need unity behind the pope and it is not there.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835223918176453873noreply@blogger.com