tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post4819014398655478506..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: "THE" CouncilFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-5162176653858782692011-08-09T16:59:55.337+01:002011-08-09T16:59:55.337+01:00Peter Jamieson,
I have not allowed your comment fo...Peter Jamieson,<br />I have not allowed your comment for that reason, you might notice that the rest of us have avoided using the bloggers name.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12187304863425356102011-08-08T13:03:09.725+01:002011-08-08T13:03:09.725+01:00The silencing of that blog was a chilling sign of ...The silencing of <i>that blog</i> was a chilling sign of autocracy.Little White Squibbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10303487442867471349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7727132656183574302011-08-06T09:03:42.120+01:002011-08-06T09:03:42.120+01:00A colleague of mine was musing years ago about two...A colleague of mine was musing years ago about two missionary priests in the far distant future on some remote planet discussing Church councils. One asks, 'Vatican II? Was that before or after Nicaea?'Fr Seán Coylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05432610859468495578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-29864602575665451662011-08-05T23:45:07.786+01:002011-08-05T23:45:07.786+01:00Excellent Post, Fr. Thank you.Excellent Post, Fr. Thank you.Zephyrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179350648709554049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-87907551595552148262011-08-05T23:28:25.815+01:002011-08-05T23:28:25.815+01:00I keep praying that the "silenced blog"m...I keep praying that the "silenced blog"may, one day, return to edify those of us that enjoyed it.The Raven (C. Corax)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08605347404726608685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3813067506357795832011-08-05T07:55:41.473+01:002011-08-05T07:55:41.473+01:00The most dangerous moment for any autocratic syste...The most dangerous moment for any autocratic system is when it begins to reform itself. Vatican II triggered Reformation II (the iron rivets of Trent having long corroded). Reformation II provokes Counter-reformation II, and so and so forth, while the authentic Tradition slips unnoticed over the horizon.<br /><br />Somebody should have stood up for Nicaea II a great deal earlier. It's far too late now, I fear.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65122099896143857722011-08-04T22:51:34.228+01:002011-08-04T22:51:34.228+01:00My erstwhile boss in the business world (RIP) alwa...My erstwhile boss in the business world (RIP) always touted his ‘open door’ policy. He was available to anyone and everyone and listened to all points of view. However to anyone who had worked for him for some time (I did - for 25+ years…) it became obvious early on that while Jerry listened to everyone, he was more swayed by the last person who had spoken to him. So you didn’t want to be the first to put forward your proposal for whatever project or plan was in the works. Better to be the last!<br /><br />I expect that for many Catholics Vat II is THE Council because it is the only one they have experienced in their lifetime - or at least in recent memory. For those of us a little longer in the tooth there was Vat I, which while not in our lifetime either, was at least of fairly recent history. And of course it defined Infallibility. That was hard to top!<br /><br />But as with history and the danger of lack of attention to it, we did not limit ourselves to the 19th century. There was Trent of course, which for many of us was THE Council. I mean, all those anathemas… Now that was heady stuff. No foostering there. This was black and white - especially black! And then there were Nicaea I and II, Constantinople (a bunch), Ephesus, Lyons, Vienne, Constance, Lateran (another bunch), etc. etc.<br /><br />I was in Rome during Vat II and attended the public sessions, including the final one. However, we were not overly concerned about the goings on in St. Peter’s back then. While we received ‘early releases’ of the Council documents – run off on a Roneo machine and in Latin, of course – and professors touched on them betimes, it was not an earth-shattering experience for us. With an eye on end-of-term exams, we were more concerned with Denzinger, Ott, Fuchs, Noldin, Aquinas, Augustine, Bellarmine and others than the emerging ‘stars’ of the Council – Rahner, Ratzinger, Kung, Schillebeex, and so on - or the texts, for that matter. Sufficient for the day, and all that.<br /><br />So for those who are ‘hung up’ on Vat II, it was one among many and, like most of the others, it caused controversy. Was it the most important ever? Hardly. Will it be remembered forever as the most divisive or trend-setting. Again - hardly. But for now it is the one closest to us in experience. But what will it be in 500 years?<br /><br />Good question.GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-54857105837755445012011-08-04T21:33:59.787+01:002011-08-04T21:33:59.787+01:00You make a vitally important point Father. A fresh...You make a vitally important point Father. A fresh interpretation of Vat 11 is needed in the light of the Pope’s concept of Continuity. <br /><br />The Reformers deliberately used ambiguities in some of the documents so that although they proclaimed Truth, as all Council documents must under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, they were also open to other interpretations.<br />++Schillibeeckx openly admitted this.<br /><br />I understand that a re-interpretation of a Council, or Council document can only be done by a new Council – or by the Pope himself.<br /><br />Let us pray that he will see his way to doing this so that VAT 11 can be properly implemented.<br /> <br />4/8/11 9:14 PMJacobinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38037689253239378662011-08-04T14:36:13.194+01:002011-08-04T14:36:13.194+01:00Interesting post. Shame about the links.Interesting post. Shame about the links.Gregnoreply@blogger.com