tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post5254754573193976130..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Tina Calls Bishops to DissentFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-37047369429405132172012-11-03T14:24:36.535+00:002012-11-03T14:24:36.535+00:00As Marx said of John Stuart Mill "His eminenc...As Marx said of John Stuart Mill "His eminence is entirely owing to the flatness of the surrounding country". Frederick Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106669441369527118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84796517438270002102012-11-03T12:45:59.077+00:002012-11-03T12:45:59.077+00:00I suspect that the Bishops will be wary of support...I suspect that the Bishops will be wary of supporting Beattie having seen how she has twisted the words of the late Cardinal Hume.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41146204902099118652012-11-03T11:59:06.040+00:002012-11-03T11:59:06.040+00:00Can you really see their Lordships rallying to Tin...Can you really see their Lordships rallying to Tina's support? When the Pope has told them in no uncertain terms to "recognize dissent for what it is"? When the Holy Office is reportedly about to step in and do their job for them in re "gay Masses"? Expect a deafening silence, even from her number one fan Declan.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-25598100139337740142012-11-03T09:22:04.229+00:002012-11-03T09:22:04.229+00:00"it is about time we took the intellectual li... "it is about time we took the intellectual life of the Church in E&W seriously",<br /><br />I agree, and Rome should do the same. I have long argued that our Bishops are intellectually challenged. A nine year old child when I was at school knew more theology and more about the Truths of the Catholic Faith than many of our bishops appear to know. I do not suggest we understood the Truths...but at least we knew them.....and in later life they served as 'hooks on which to hang our hats'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91757420638712058242012-11-03T08:15:30.333+00:002012-11-03T08:15:30.333+00:00Tins should contain what it says on the label.
Pe...Tins should contain what it says on the label.<br /><br />People must be free to dissent from Catholic teaching but then they should not purport to be teachers of Catholic theology.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-71031076161307145522012-11-03T04:21:25.651+00:002012-11-03T04:21:25.651+00:00Blimey. The Judas-Syndrome seems alive and, well.....Blimey. The Judas-Syndrome seems alive and, well...Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-75982429527603407282012-11-03T02:21:00.777+00:002012-11-03T02:21:00.777+00:00Eamon Duffy’s remarks do not surprise me at all. H...Eamon Duffy’s remarks do not surprise me at all. He is neither a “conservative” nor a “traditionalist” in Catholic terms. He has conservative devotional (especially) and liturgical predilections, and over the past twenty years he has written articles decrying the changes made in the funeral rites of the Latin Rite after Vatican II, and attacking the old ICEL translation of the collects, secrets and postcommunion prayers of the Roman Rite — but in his attitude towards Church authority generally I would describe him as an ultramontanist liberal. In 1998, for instance, he stated in a conversation in which I was one of the three participants that all it would take to authorize the pretended ordination of women in the Catholic Church was a stroke of the papal pen on a document allowing their ordination (without any preceding dogmatic definition declaring it to be possible, nor, necessarily, any theological rationale for it; the mere exercise of papal authority would suffice). I hope that he does not embrace the same view as regards giving permission for same-sex pseudogamy to be “blessed” by and within the Catholic Church.<br /><br />Those interested in Duffy’s religious background and views may find this religious autobiography of his useful:<br /><br />http://www.thepastoralreview.org/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?priestsppl-00018William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78409159461418834062012-11-02T22:15:40.527+00:002012-11-02T22:15:40.527+00:00"There's been a creative atmosphere of pe..."There's been a creative atmosphere of people being able to hold different positions in this country without it causing this kind of ugliness".<br /><br />Translation: I'm a pick and mix Catholic but I'm too cowardly to say so so I'll hide behind fine sounding words and pretend I'm a victim. What bs.<br /><br />Never did trust Eamon Duffy. The Stripping of the Altars is excellent in many regards but he insists on referring to the 'traditional religion' of the people of this country not their Catholic faith. He plays games. I'm not surprised to see him supporting Tina. He doesn't have a spine and the truth is flexible to him as is evidenced by the liberal spin he puts on the situation.BJChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593104081224026799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-74678271080938264252012-11-02T20:56:10.928+00:002012-11-02T20:56:10.928+00:00The word "Magisterium" is obviously not ...The word "Magisterium" is obviously not part of her vocabulary.<br />Her version of dissent does not include dissent from the push for same-sex marriage nor dissent from gender inclusive clergy. Her dissents are all dissents from the truths of Catholic teaching.JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3004678396602919142012-11-02T20:00:21.587+00:002012-11-02T20:00:21.587+00:00If she's really a Catholic theologian, she'...If she's really a Catholic theologian, she'll know where she's wrong. If she can't see where she's wrong, she shouldn't call herself a Catholic theologian.<br /><br />Your comments are spot on Father. You'll be in the running for next year's 'Stonewall' award - assuming they can't give it to themselves.Jessica Hoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336601507234428836noreply@blogger.com