tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post5376384332015182067..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Bishop Williamson's PlotFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52553182362723193442013-05-29T01:45:09.983+01:002013-05-29T01:45:09.983+01:00It's fascinating to read the fear and hatred i...It's fascinating to read the fear and hatred incited by a SSPX theme.<br /><br />Many of the views reflect secular ideas: we are all stuck in the upper room "for fear of the Jews" or simply living "living on the reservation". <br /><br />Deep down we all know this will end badly.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28956034345539037352013-05-28T23:38:34.836+01:002013-05-28T23:38:34.836+01:00How's this for a collective noun: an infestati...How's this for a collective noun: an infestation of comments. I'm grateful that you're given them enough rope with which to hang themselves, Fr., though I feel soiled reading the evidence.IanWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14802289720095323373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59704955118191519782013-05-28T20:25:07.798+01:002013-05-28T20:25:07.798+01:00Both Bishops are in charge of many innocent souls....Both Bishops are in charge of many innocent souls.<br /><br />Cursing their houses is an act of violence.<br /><br />It is a sin, and not something worthy of Catholics.<br /><br />We must remember, blessings and curses have their effects.<br /><br />These curses need to be taken to the Confessional, immediately.<br /><br />Pablo the Mexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09384415590309803327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90101218724303560572013-05-28T17:43:26.993+01:002013-05-28T17:43:26.993+01:00Fellay and Williamson? A pox on both their houses...Fellay and Williamson? A pox on both their houses.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31830646109905752282013-05-28T11:43:44.506+01:002013-05-28T11:43:44.506+01:00Speaking as someone heavily involved in the meetin...<i>Speaking as someone heavily involved in the meeting this weekend, I know of no involvement in political parties of any direction on the part of anybody involved in it; it's just an attempt to save Tradition in the SSPX, that's all. Nor do I know of any involvement on the part of Bp Williamson.</i><br /><br />A tad disingenuous, Cestrian. The conference you refer to is organised by members of the BNP and they're flying in two of Williamson's pet priests from the US. Both of them were removed from the SSPX for rebellion against the leadership.<br /><br />As the online zine promoting the conference claims to be "fighting a guerilla resistance" to "save the SSPX from liberalism" and as the zine openly promoted Williamson and his cause, you can't be in any doubt about what you're "heavily involved" in organising.<br /><br />Bearing false witness is still a sin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01508026198191207692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28665779841318649862013-05-28T10:34:58.726+01:002013-05-28T10:34:58.726+01:00A group of people writing under the title the &quo...A group of people writing under the title the "Recusant" recently sent a letter to the SSPX clergy in Britain <br />asking them to leave the society.One of the reasons given was Bishop Fellays liberalism !! I do not know if these people are associated with Bishop Williamson but as there were only twenty seven signatories they do not seem to pose much of a threat. Bishop Williamson was rightly thrown out of the Society and he now seems to be heading nowhere. Bishop Fellay is in the UK this weekend. Let us wait and see what the authentic voice of the SSPX has to say.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11355106332585552518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-57990137293276596402013-05-27T23:14:46.731+01:002013-05-27T23:14:46.731+01:00In reply to “A Catholic” at 8.32pm yesterday, it i...In reply to “A Catholic” at 8.32pm yesterday, it is not true that Searchlight’s research cost the BBC tens of thousands of pounds in libel damages over the 1984 Panorama documentary ‘Maggie’s Militant Tendency’. This is a lie circulated by various Nazi and antisemitic groups. <br /><br />The facts are that the young producer of the programme approached me for an opinion not during the production stage but a few hours before transmission. I replied that I was not able to help as since leaving London Weekend Television after eight years, I was busy on various other TV assignments as well as editing Searchlight magazine. However I advised that if they had relied upon certain Conservative Party internal documents that I had seen, they should be wary as some of the material was open to challenge.<br /><br />I was then told it was too late as the programme was ready for transmission. Shortly after it had been broadcast, three of the Conservatives named in it sued the BBC.<br /><br />I was then hired by the programme makers and the BBC’s legal department to help prepare a defence alongside another journalist colleague. One of the claimants, the subsequently disgraced MP Harvey Procter, withdraw his writ. The other two pursued their claim.<br /><br />Our research showed the BBC was likely to win a libel case. But political pressure was brought to bear and instead of fighting the case the BBC apologised and paid out some hundreds of thousands of pounds in damages and costs.<br /><br />I later worked for the BBC on Panorama, Newsnight and other current affairs programmes and radio documentaries, as well as acting as a consultant for the successful drama series, ‘Between the Lines’. That would not have happened if I had cost the BBC thousands of pounds in damages. All Searchlight’s research is professional and honest. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14924528802125365324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-63316000395903418352013-05-27T19:35:11.154+01:002013-05-27T19:35:11.154+01:00cousinbobo,
Thank you, that will raise my standin...cousinbobo,<br /><br />Thank you, that will raise my standing considerably! Nothing like a threat!<br /><br />But I would point out a flaw in your logic. If I cannot judge Bishop W's Catholicism, how can you judge what you call the "Concillior Church's" Catholicism?Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65099322306952251952013-05-27T19:24:41.256+01:002013-05-27T19:24:41.256+01:00EDL is headed by a lapsed Irish catholic and has s...EDL is headed by a lapsed Irish catholic and has some mysterious funding behind the scenes. This relationship has caused a problem for Griffin's own flirtation with said funding source and the last I heard is that he has ended the affair. The reality is that the English right remains intellectually moribund unlike their equivalents in Russia or Eastern Europe in general. The problem with the English (in contrast to the East) is their refusal to take religion seriously which most Catholics like us cannot understand. I suspect that most English papists, for example, would love to parade a statue of Our Lady through the streets of our towns on St. George's day and would do so with a mix of gravity and enthusiasm.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-32721494362052326252013-05-27T18:44:27.487+01:002013-05-27T18:44:27.487+01:00Searchlight is not a Marxist or far left magazine....Searchlight is not a Marxist or far left magazine. For decades it has shone a little light on some very insidious organisations. Having just shared a tube carriage with some frightening louts from the English Defence League I am glad that it does so.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84758143804844468272013-05-27T17:30:21.716+01:002013-05-27T17:30:21.716+01:00Speaking as someone heavily involved in the meetin...Speaking as someone heavily involved in the meeting this weekend, I know of no involvement in political parties of any direction on the part of anybody involved in it; it's just an attempt to save Tradition in the SSPX, that's all. Nor do I know of any involvement on the part of Bp Williamson.Cestrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10206094957346597453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89671034506233477442013-05-27T14:11:15.197+01:002013-05-27T14:11:15.197+01:00Fr. I have wondered the same about Sr. Joan Chitti...Fr. I have wondered the same about Sr. Joan Chittister OSB. Is she really Catholic. It could be that Sr. Joan Chittister OSB is going to have a coup and take over the LCWR here in the US. The group of nuns that have FULL "Franciscan" support (Tell that to the Dominicans, He He:)). That may come soon after. But probably not get the same publicity, because she is against anything Pre-Vatican 2, like wearing habits and following the Magisterium's teaching. Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01725445787551443589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-58787175736742642822013-05-27T10:58:10.088+01:002013-05-27T10:58:10.088+01:00The father of Archbishop Lefebvre died in a German...The father of Archbishop Lefebvre died in a German concentration having been caught fighting for the French resistance. As for the charge of anti-semiticism. Chuck Hagel, Obama's new defence chief was similarly accused for claiming his first duty was to the American people and their constitution.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48325421469618130192013-05-27T09:46:15.911+01:002013-05-27T09:46:15.911+01:00It's a common tactic of those caught with thei...It's a common tactic of those caught with their pants down to shoot the messenger. For all the hoo-ha, it doesn't change the truth of the message.<br /><br />Pretty much everyone associated with the SSPX knows what Williamson has been up to. His latest appearance at the far-right IONA forum on London last month was only the latest confirmation. <br /><br />Then there was his appearance on Truth Jihad radio and his comments that the Pope may be a channel of the Antichrist.<br /><br />If the man was ever Catholic, he doesn't appear to be now.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01508026198191207692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-50526750537027164602013-05-27T09:36:39.247+01:002013-05-27T09:36:39.247+01:00Dont be too hard on Williamson, he is merely follo...Dont be too hard on Williamson, he is merely following in an old tradition. After all the leading theologian of the German Church in the 1930's Karl Adam saw much in common between his church and the Nazis and expressed his views in print. Strangely enough when his collected works were published after the war such articles were omitted. Frederick Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106669441369527118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-46940464085172661842013-05-27T09:27:21.105+01:002013-05-27T09:27:21.105+01:00Annie,
I suspect the problem lies with the pupil n...Annie,<br />I suspect the problem lies with the pupil not the teacher.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15582451123520475242013-05-27T09:11:37.516+01:002013-05-27T09:11:37.516+01:00Father,
Your comment 11:23 pm hits it exactly.
M...Father,<br /><br />Your comment 11:23 pm hits it exactly.<br /><br />Msgr. Lefebvre's one mistake.<br /><br />When +Williamson was sent to America he exploited that which is evident in the psyche in elements of that population - a propensity to follow self-professed icons and he revelled in that self-acclaimed status. Consequently, he created his own brand of SSPX with The Society. His banishment to the UK did us no favours.Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24438499230566118402013-05-27T06:52:40.827+01:002013-05-27T06:52:40.827+01:00Tony Flavin,
"And my Canon Law teacher was a...Tony Flavin,<br /><br />"And my Canon Law teacher was an A & B priest . . ." <br /><br />You should ask him for a refund.Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02198419417921454525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38584125338709319482013-05-27T02:13:17.382+01:002013-05-27T02:13:17.382+01:00How exactly would this work? Williamson's expu...How exactly would this work? Williamson's expulsion would suggest he is no longer a member of the SSPX to me and the [very] small trail of priests who followed him in his exit indicates enthusiasm for his positions, even in the English-speaking world, is not as great as many previously stated. Moreover, the SSPX's strong French roots and association with monarchism contrasts quite a bit with these accusations of neo-Nazism. I've heard, but cannot verify, that some sympathize with General Petain's pseudo-administration—maybe because it was something of a relief after a century and a half of governmental anti-clericalism, but this hardly amounts to yearning for the Gestapo. I have nothing to do with the SSPX, but this article is drivel.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-43018694741168296872013-05-27T01:24:06.415+01:002013-05-27T01:24:06.415+01:00I would suggest that this is much ado about nothin...I would suggest that this is much ado about nothing. I somehow suspect that if such a split were tried it would simply hive off a few +Williamson supporters and leave the majority of the SSPX annoyed but glad to be rid of the embarrassment.JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33091464545962720652013-05-26T23:23:32.554+01:002013-05-26T23:23:32.554+01:00cousinbobo,
I do not "hate" Bishop Will...cousinbobo,<br /><br />I do not "hate" Bishop Williamson but I just have serious difficulties in beleiving he ever has been a Catholic or desired union with the Catholic Church, rather than a Church of his own imagination and creation.<br />I understand this was one of the reasons why he was asked to leave the Oratory which he joined shortly after his reception into the Church.<br /><br />I think there is good reason to believe he was and always has been an Anglican! His thinking seems characteristic of the those so very high and spikey Anglicans who claim they are so very Roman.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23050910835088454462013-05-26T21:13:18.214+01:002013-05-26T21:13:18.214+01:00I assume this is a follow up to the 28 January 201...I assume this is a follow up to the 28 January 2012 article on the Searchlight website "Fascists join Catholic traditionalists at London conference". It mentions four people in the SSPX UK province with Far Right/New Right connections - Alex Kennedy, Jeremy Bedford-Turner, Derek Holland and Michael Fishwick. Of those I've only ever heard of Derek Holland and he's the only one with a Wikipedia entry. Two of them, Michael Fishwick and Alex Kennedy, signed a letter to Bishop Fellay on 13 Jan 2013 protesting his leadership. See below for all links.<br /><br />Ironically the +Williamson faction of the SSPX find themselves in the same situation as liberal Catholics. Do they go it alone and risk becoming a total irrelevance (and lets face it probably knowing that other people would like to see the back of them) or do they live an unhappy existence trying to expand from the inside? The other problem is who is going to lead them? +Williamson is 73.<br /><br />http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-at-london-conference<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Holland_(activist)<br />http://www.truetrad.com/index.php/poison/2-15-2013-more-dangerous-comments-from-bishop-fellay-on-the-new-mass-vatican-ii/79-the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/92-open-letter-from-british-faithful-to-bp-fellayBJChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593104081224026799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-51451501720443565222013-05-26T20:32:53.977+01:002013-05-26T20:32:53.977+01:00Dear Fr. Blake,
The only damning thing about it i...Dear Fr. Blake,<br /><br />The only damning thing about it is the naivety and foolishness of people such as yourself who take the bait. Fortunately you are sensible enough to limit what you publish to what the Telegraph - with its legal team - published.<br /><br />How could you possibly take seriously a press release from a Marxist organization whose 'research' cost the BBC tens of thousands of pounds in libel damages for the lies broadcast in their documentary 'Maggie's Militant Tendency'?<br /><br />How could you possibly take seriously a press release from a Marxist organization whose 'research' claims that Fr. Leo Boyle is a former District Superior of the SSPX in Great Britain?<br /><br />How could you possibly take seriously a press release from a Marxist organization that claims Bishop Williamson and Fr. Morgan are somehow in cahoots with the Oklahoma bomber?<br /><br />How can you possibly take seriously a press release from a Marxist organization that claims certain SSPX supporters are or were members of the BNP and their details can be found on the leaked BNP membership list - when anyone who cares to check the leaked BNP membership list (available on the internet) finds that the said people are not on there.<br /><br />You are a fool (at best).A Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17075583800653239318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79755357985438482222013-05-26T20:20:05.538+01:002013-05-26T20:20:05.538+01:00Well if they're Catholics in good standing why...Well if they're Catholics in good standing why don't they act it? <br /><br />Rome has obviously been very generous to them.<br /><br />And my Canon Law tutor was an A&B priest, nuff said.Tony Flavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12303412739124761978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18121249055899359352013-05-26T19:59:53.550+01:002013-05-26T19:59:53.550+01:00I would just like to set my previous comment strai...I would just like to set my previous comment straight: of course Bp. Williamson doesn't want to merge Catholicism and Nazism. The problem is that he is often associated with holocaust deniers (wether justly I don't know) who are in turn associated (wether justly I don't know) with Neo-Nazis.Konstantinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13701303189143549671noreply@blogger.com