tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post5392230465177587783..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: C of E; Reformed and Catholic?Fr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3385341980640449702006-11-25T22:34:00.000+00:002006-11-25T22:34:00.000+00:00Martin, your comment got me thinking - I've writte...Martin, your comment got me thinking - I've written something about anglicanism over at my blog. So do Anglicans believe the so called "Archbishop" of Canterbury is the Pope? Or are they sede vacantists?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428511186797046609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23918522868765933242006-11-24T20:15:00.000+00:002006-11-24T20:15:00.000+00:00"to guide our people in a Whole and Catholic life;..."to guide our people in a Whole and Catholic life;"<br />Doesn't that mean being in communion with Peter? You really cannot argue that scripture does not clearly teach the pre-eminence of Peter, nor that the Catholic Church has always taught that pre-eminence continues in the Bishop of Rome, to whom the Lord promised power to bind and loose. <br />Surely to teach otherwise is to endanger souls? There is one Church, that is clearly evident both from scripture and Tradition. It must be plain to anyone, except the most extreme Protestant that the Church of England is plainly not that Church. To fail to want to seek to be part of the Church Christ founded must be a very serious sin indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-63855003488551850072006-11-24T01:14:00.000+00:002006-11-24T01:14:00.000+00:00Anonymous, I think you should read the statement o...Anonymous, I think you should read the statement of HH on the meeting with Dr Williams. I do not think the intentions of the Holy Father are not served by those who will not even show charity to those who leave comments on this blog.<br />As far as the invalidity of orders are concerned, remember the former Bishop of London was ordained conditionally because it seemed probable his orders were indeed valid. In the case of Bishop Hine, the former bishop of Fulham, I am not sure. But since the publication of the 1928 Prayer Book Anglicans have sought to validate their orders. Dr Ramsey for example, is rumoured to have been re-ordained by a friendly Orthodox Bishop after his Anglican Episcopal Ordination, therefore he was validly ordained and presumably if the intention was correct on the part of those receiving ordination from him they were validly ordained.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-42462119898899866772006-11-23T23:11:00.000+00:002006-11-23T23:11:00.000+00:00I don't know where the last three words came from....I don't know where the last three words came from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-57407232458115233392006-11-23T23:08:00.000+00:002006-11-23T23:08:00.000+00:00"An outside observer can only see a public face, t..."An outside observer can only see a public face, thus it may be to some that a Church that holds both FSSP and the much publicised Haloween Mass on u tube is in a mess. I make no such accusation of my RC co-religionists."<br /><br />Yes, it is a matter of authority, again and again the Church has made itself clear that Halloween Masses are unacceptable, hence the reaction. Within the Catholic Church it is clear what is acceptable and what is not.<br />Within the C of E there is no such clarity either theologically, morally or even in matters of discipline.<br />I judged Anglo-Catholicism by its bed-fellows, both literal and metaphorically, and found its place within the C of E untenable, as was my place within it. As did your former Bishop. <br />I am afraid Father, you are going to find yourself increasingly becoming a High Church congregationalist, I pray and I weep for you, surely you must realise where God is calling you.<br />Unfortunately it isAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-72939441855868742922006-11-23T22:46:00.000+00:002006-11-23T22:46:00.000+00:00"Father te Jones", as an Anglican, the Church, of ..."Father te Jones", as an Anglican, the Church, of which there is only one, teaches that you are not a validly ordained "priest". The only true ecumenism that can exist between us Catholics and you Anglicans is to show you the full Truth of which you have only a *ray*. Why don't you commit to becoming Catholic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39330536331488832872006-11-23T14:53:00.000+00:002006-11-23T14:53:00.000+00:00An outside observer can only see a public face, th...An outside observer can only see a public face, thus it may be to some that a Church that holds both FSSP and the much publicised Haloween Mass on u tube is in a mess. I make no such accusation of my RC co-religionists.<br />Anglicans are aware of our deep divisions, we live daily, as do other Christians with both faithlesness and contradiction. Those who hold the traditional Anglican Catholic meta-narrative (Forward in Faith, the Society of the Holy Cross etc)would beg that you judge us not my some Bishops in the USA, or indeed by Bishop Butler, but by our daily offering of the Mass, our life of prayer, our obedience to the norms of Catholic moral life and our attempt to guide our people in a Whole and Catholic life; for us the prayers and understanding of Catholics not in communion with Canterbury would be of greater value than sniping from inside 1950's slit trenches. PaxFather Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02208755348913082159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84104254129380920442006-11-22T20:08:00.000+00:002006-11-22T20:08:00.000+00:00Oh dear, the anglicans really are a mess, they don...Oh dear, the anglicans really are a mess, they don't know what they believe!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428511186797046609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-83075735538778987692006-11-22T17:03:00.000+00:002006-11-22T17:03:00.000+00:00He is just talking from where the sun don't shineHe is just talking from where the sun don't shinenickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412418782531527758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91117872438755466712006-11-22T00:36:00.000+00:002006-11-22T00:36:00.000+00:00OT but you've been tagged - see my blog
http://in...OT but you've been tagged - see my blog<br /><br />http://inhocsigno.blogspot.com/Paulinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07764882488839589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-16316473659046518342006-11-21T22:46:00.000+00:002006-11-21T22:46:00.000+00:00Yes I think I rather overstated my case about the ...Yes I think I rather overstated my case about the C of E actively encouraging homosexual clergy. Where this has been voiced in connection Bishop Gene Robinson or the appointment of Jeffrey John in the UK this has caused, virtual schism. It is interesting that the Williams first backed, then retract from John's appointment. He is of course now the Dean of Butler's diocese of Southwark.<br />One could cite many other liberal senior C of E who though scared stiff of fragmentation in Anglicanism are pushing a liberal pro-gay agenda in their own dioceses.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49589005521405820962006-11-21T22:08:00.000+00:002006-11-21T22:08:00.000+00:00"'The C of E actively encourages homosexual clergy..."'The C of E actively encourages homosexual clergy'. <br /><br />Not sure about that Father."<br /><br />As a Brighton resident, with a certain past before I returned to the Church, it was not unusual to meet Anglican clergy with boyfriends in the clubs and bars of our city, very occassionally I must admit one would meet a Catholic priest. The difference was the Anglicans were quite open about it and often in the company of other clergymen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90937238885467308412006-11-21T21:48:00.000+00:002006-11-21T21:48:00.000+00:00'The C of E actively encourages homosexual clergy'...'The C of E actively encourages homosexual clergy'. <br /><br />Not sure about that Father. Sad to say the Anglican communion worldwide is in a mess on this issue, amoungst others. but the C of E specifically does not encourage homosexual clergy, unless you mean the off-message views expressed by some rather than the 'official' C of E teaching. But then sad to say I've heard some pretty wild stuff from Catholic priests which would make Butler look like an orthodox. Regrettably neither house is in perfect order but how the secular world must be amused to see the two churches dismissing each other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24780453673972839662006-11-21T21:22:00.000+00:002006-11-21T21:22:00.000+00:00...and they call Catholics arrogant.Astounding stu......and they call Catholics arrogant.Astounding stuff.<br /><br />Thanks for the picture of 'Tom'. I've printed it off as a dartboard.Paulinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07764882488839589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3856559337539271232006-11-21T16:07:00.000+00:002006-11-21T16:07:00.000+00:00Thanks Father. The man is clearly talking the rubb...Thanks Father. The man is clearly talking the rubbish which comes from uncertainty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-27175440471450631132006-11-21T15:43:00.000+00:002006-11-21T15:43:00.000+00:00Thank you Father. I heard Dr Butler this morning a...Thank you Father. I heard Dr Butler this morning and couldn't beleive my ears! Thanks for the picture of Tom, I've set it as my screen saver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-72232241371691429182006-11-21T13:12:00.000+00:002006-11-21T13:12:00.000+00:00I'm confused. If celebacy isn't a doctrine, what i...I'm confused. If celebacy isn't a doctrine, what is it, a rule?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com