tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post5453398854783112295..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Covenant of Civility?Fr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-21202834101409503352011-04-21T11:17:41.912+01:002011-04-21T11:17:41.912+01:00So Austen is dropping "Taliban" in favou...So Austen is dropping "Taliban" in favour of "Jansenist". The problem with "Jansenist" is that it is a term which is often used but very difficult to define. Pascal was accused of Jansenism but read his "Lettres Provinciales" and tell me what is unorthodox in what he writes. Some say he was not really a Jansenist or was moving away from Jansenism. Read Ronald Knox on Jansenism - it is still very difficult to put one's finger on what was wrong particularly as they were accused of things which they hotly denied. They considered themselves very unworthy, not having much faith in God's grace, and made the rest of the world feel even more unworthy and generally came over as an exclusive and snobbish lot which irritated many people. To-day they are generally seen as discouraging frequent communion to the extent of suggesting it should be only a yearly event. But what else? I suspect that most people using the term "Jansenist" would be hard put to explaining exactly what they mean other than disliking a "holier than thou attitude".<br /><br />I certainly have not seen bloggers suggesting infrequent communion. Unless suggesting belief in the real presence and greater respect for the sacrament can be caricatured as such.<br /><br />Austen then goes on to give a technical meaning to "dissent" which I do not think the word will bear. He suggests that only certain Church authorities should ever decide that something is "dissent". That is over the top. I really think we must stick with the common understanding of the word as "disagreeing". I believe he has called for a new sexual ethic and has given a liberal interpretation to the Pope's recent remarks on the use of condoms. If this is correct is he not dissenting from or disagreeing with traditional Church teaching?<br /><br />I think to say that ordinary laypeople should not express their concerns, when there is silence from the Bishops on doctrinal issues or administrative decisions that seem to undermine the Catholic position, is ridiculous.<br /><br />Would he agree that there is another extreme diametrically opposite to Jansenism into which the English Church has fallen?<br /><br />One of my favourite cartoons was by Brocklebank. It was a picture of a English Pub with the RAF Padre, with handlebar moustache, standing at the Bar and quaffing a foaming tankard of beer and perhaps recounting some risquee joke to his companions.<br /><br />In the corner there are two men sitting at a table and one of them is saying to the other "I simply cannot stand his unholier than thou attitude". <br /><br />I often feel that!<br /><br />Nicolas Bellordsantoeusebiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07032325567755620919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-81554516229099378242011-04-20T15:04:01.205+01:002011-04-20T15:04:01.205+01:00atholic Bloggers, let's have a drink in Rome o...atholic Bloggers, let's have a drink in Rome on May 2nd, right after the official Vatican Bloggers event ends.<br /><br />We'd be really happy to meet you there! More info on http://www.catholic-bloggers.comCatholic Bloggershttp://www.catholic-bloggers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77566169988975597942011-04-20T13:17:36.332+01:002011-04-20T13:17:36.332+01:00Thanks for your excellent post, Father. There must...Thanks for your excellent post, Father. There must be room for discussion and freedom of speech, always within the bounds of charity;- <br />'The Lord be in our minds, in our eyes, on our lips, and in our heart'.umblepiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455889107917179909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-47403692451710208472011-04-20T12:54:40.496+01:002011-04-20T12:54:40.496+01:00Three or four years ago when talking to an elderly...<i>Three or four years ago when talking to an elderly Priest about changing parishes he expressed his fear that the resurgence of the TLM could bring division in the Church. We can only hope and pray that this will not be so.</i><br /><br />The only thing that has brought division amongst the people of God are the liturgical reforms and the theological implications that follow therein.Aduliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00534730218402742905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56556076613091742502011-04-20T11:33:02.980+01:002011-04-20T11:33:02.980+01:00golly ... what Belgian 'waffle'
Uk usage ...golly ... what Belgian 'waffle'<br /><br />Uk usage as aboveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77054897153049791212011-04-20T09:09:54.411+01:002011-04-20T09:09:54.411+01:00Is AI really having a go at the Pope over "di...Is AI really having a go at the Pope over "dissent"? As you point out it was Pope's word.Sarkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41522853634342968152011-04-20T08:04:01.637+01:002011-04-20T08:04:01.637+01:00It's interesting, isn't it, that the prese...It's interesting, isn't it, that the present communications revolution has arrived, like the previous one, in the middle of a crisis in western Christianity. In both instances it has served to carry unprecedented volumes of toxic effluent into the mainstream. In both cases, the "still, small voice" has frequently been drowned in a bedlam of delusion, egotism, psychopathological projection and cognitive dissonance. Kyrie eleison.<br /><br />The answer isn't a "code", and it isn't yet another Orwellian frenzy of ideological waggon-circling. It's the same answer it's always been, the one that finds supreme practical expression in the Lenten Prayer of St Ephraim the Syrian:<br /><br /><i>O Lord and Master of my life! Take from me the spirit of sloth, faint-heartedness, lust of power, and idle talk. But give rather the spirit of chastity, humility, patience, and love to Thy servant. Yea, O Lord and King! Grant me to see my own errors and not to judge my brother; For Thou art blessed unto ages of ages. Amen</i><br /><br />http://www.sv-luka.org/misionar/lentenpr_n2.htmAnagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-66769046678204166692011-04-20T07:48:07.630+01:002011-04-20T07:48:07.630+01:00They are no longer "Taliban Catholics" b...They are no longer "Taliban Catholics" but merely "proud devils" of the Jansenist school.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89142726553503904362011-04-20T01:03:51.550+01:002011-04-20T01:03:51.550+01:00The blogospere is a new forum enabling a wide vari...The blogospere is a new forum enabling a wide variety of inividuals to engage and express themselves to an equally diverse audience. It is often a rough and ready place- a wild west of social communication. These are still early days but I expect that in time things will settle down as we all become more discerning. In the meantime it is not difficult to appreciate the discomfiture of journalists and other "professional Catholics" at the rise of the amateur.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79298152204130215052011-04-20T00:02:25.350+01:002011-04-20T00:02:25.350+01:00Sean,
The vocabulary you object does seem to be co...Sean,<br />The vocabulary you object does seem to be consistent with the role of OT prophets, even with the Lord himself at times.<br /><br />"White sepulchres", "hypocrites" etc are not the words of an English gent but they are Jesus'.<br /><br />There is a serious danger in making the Lord or his Church in our own image!!!Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86277493199156976042011-04-19T22:49:05.135+01:002011-04-19T22:49:05.135+01:00The vocabulary used in this post reveals an aggres...The vocabulary used in this post reveals an aggression I don't find in the traditional Roman Catholicism in which I was raised and remain...<br /><br />"... crying out aloud, rebuking, urging, condemning, even threatening, to point out dangers. It is often their role to be downright and uncivil, to actually get angry, even to be abusive".<br /><br />He spoke through the prophets but God has been finally revealed in Jesus Christ,the God who kneeled to wash his friends' feet.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36762600766892442222011-04-19T22:34:57.988+01:002011-04-19T22:34:57.988+01:00Jackie Parkes has a good point. We do seem to be ...Jackie Parkes has a good point. We do seem to be becoming polarised. I can remember a time when parishes had just two 'types' of Masses - High Mass and Low Mass. <br /><br />Parishioners chose which ever they preferred but there did not seem to be any division between those who preferred one to another. We were all Catholic. Those who preferred attending a Low Mass did not criticise those who preferred attending a High Mass and vice versa.<br /><br />As Jacquie points out there does seem to be increasing intolerance in the blogosphere. Those who prefer the NO seem to be terrifed of the spread of the TLM as they see it as 'going backwards.' And some followers of the TLM don't even accept that the NO is legitimate.<br /><br />Three or four years ago when talking to an elderly Priest about changing parishes he expressed his fear that the resurgence of the TLM could bring division in the Church. We can only hope and pray that this will not be so.pelerinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78136942526496283812011-04-19T21:14:24.047+01:002011-04-19T21:14:24.047+01:00The hardest thing I find as a blogger is the divis...The hardest thing I find as a blogger is the division between "types" of Catholic bloggers mainly in matters of Liturgical preference. I am happy going to EF OF Masses but find increasing intolerance in the blogosphere...Jackie Parkes MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16693505024823229152noreply@blogger.com