tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post5836406182493421807..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Ordinariate Anniversary and a TriumphFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55753659243776351022012-01-19T20:33:09.774+00:002012-01-19T20:33:09.774+00:00Have never been comfortable with the way that St L...Have never been comfortable with the way that St Luke's operates - I have known of excellent candidates for the priesthood give up because of the ordeal endured there, and priests who have abandoned the ministry because of the shocking way in which they were dealt with there. A mere anonymous complaint can lead to a priest being sent there for "assesment" by people who have obtained spurious degrees in the u.s. <br />I read about the campaing to order disclosure of the 'secret archive' which each bishop keeps. I wonder if a priest could compel his bishop to release the information held in the archive under a FOI request?RIchardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6780043367907177712012-01-18T19:11:54.895+00:002012-01-18T19:11:54.895+00:00That place in Manchester, having been through it m...That place in Manchester, having been through it myself is nothing short of shocking and heretical!<br /><br />I shall stop there and say no more lest i go mad.<br /><br />But motuproprio you are right. You have to play their game if you want to get anywhereGuidoMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91384061415035500442012-01-18T15:06:39.570+00:002012-01-18T15:06:39.570+00:00Father
Is there a committee that investigates St ...Father<br /><br />Is there a committee that investigates St Luke's centre in Manchester? I refer to the number of referrals, finances, qualifications of the staff, administration etc. <br /><br />By committee - I mean independant persons, who are specialist in their own fields.<br /><br />I have heard of several harrowing stories coming from people who have been to St Luke's in Manchester.<br /><br />I would like to know if the Director of the Centre is independant from the Curia in Salford Diocese?<br /><br />Are the personnel qualified to the required specs by British Governing Bodies?<br /><br />I am not convinced that I would give this Centre a 100% pass rate to clarity and probity. <br /><br />Fr BTFrBTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18023327591492888552012-01-18T00:07:18.107+00:002012-01-18T00:07:18.107+00:00One very clear lesson is that the St Luke's Ce...One very clear lesson is that the St Luke's Centre in Manchester has to be treated with the utmost seriousness. <i>verb sap</i>motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34243282618845812292012-01-17T17:27:08.471+00:002012-01-17T17:27:08.471+00:00For those of us who have not (yet) swum the Tiber,...For those of us who have not (yet) swum the Tiber, the derferred ordinations are a stumbling block - or, more precisely, the _omerta'_ (sorry, can't do italics or diacriticals in your combox, Father)which surrounds them is.<br /><br />In Fr Hunwicke's case, it is pretty clear that something in his blog has rattled someone's cage. If you like the blog, as I do, you would describe it as scholarly. If you don't like it, I suppose you might describe it as pedantic, but I find it difficult to spot anything which might constitute a bar to his "remoulding".<br /><br />The other case, if I have correctly identified the person you mean, is in some senses even more disturbing, but comment would be impossible without unfairly identifying him.Alan Harrisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18132858765084683322012-01-17T17:04:16.895+00:002012-01-17T17:04:16.895+00:00I am a great 'fan' of John Hunwicke's ...I am a great 'fan' of John Hunwicke's blogging (albeit scant of late): I hope he takes heart and, 'perseverans in bono', returns to address us as Fr. Hunwicke once again.Ahenobarbushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435591441188764935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59427867029799797292012-01-17T12:57:46.853+00:002012-01-17T12:57:46.853+00:00Vetusta,
I don't entirely agree, some are, som...Vetusta,<br />I don't entirely agree, some are, some aren't. <br /><br />I am often shocked by the lack of theological formation or even catechetical formation of many Anglican clergy, especially in those branches of Anglicanism that are by nature touchy-feely. <br />Often theology is replaced by sociology.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-30266399225265544832012-01-17T12:12:28.921+00:002012-01-17T12:12:28.921+00:00I have followed Fr Hunwicke's bloggings for a ...I have followed Fr Hunwicke's bloggings for a very long time, and with great pleasure and edification. It does smack of meanness that he has not yet been accepted for ordination, but holy desires grow by delays. For all our support, we need to remember that no one has a right to ordination. When one remembers the public utterances of so many ordained over the years (not Ordinariate!) one does wonder what it is substantially that is objected to in Fr Hunwicke. But then, only gold bears testing by fire.Fr William R Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-62819126967903045522012-01-17T12:03:26.797+00:002012-01-17T12:03:26.797+00:00This is one of those excruciating (almost in the o...This is one of those excruciating (almost in the original sense) situations where any attempt to do something (petitions, etc) would probably end up making things worse. Prayer is all we can do - and for those who have his contact details, personal messages of support.Sue Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15868265477624790008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-427508413354406282012-01-17T11:55:01.598+00:002012-01-17T11:55:01.598+00:00I think that what terrifies the RC hierarchy is th...I think that what terrifies the RC hierarchy is the fact, fully exemplified in Fr JH, that the Anglican clergy are so much brighter and better educated in every way than their Roman counterparts.<br /><br />Fully agree with all comments on this fascinating and outstanding man.vetusta ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454059029260192711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-35928155003126858192012-01-17T11:42:56.910+00:002012-01-17T11:42:56.910+00:00Cannot we be told why Father Hunwicke cannot be or...Cannot we be told why Father Hunwicke cannot be ordained as a Roman Catholic priest?John Ross Martynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11272289794784200182012-01-17T11:18:34.405+00:002012-01-17T11:18:34.405+00:00How desperately the Catholic Church needs priests ...How desperately the Catholic Church needs priests like him but I fear that as far as the authorities in E&W are concerned he is too smart for his own good.<br />The delay in his ordination, and that of others brave enough to come into full communion with us, runs directly counter to the intention of the Holy Father and is nothing short of a disgrace.<br />I would gladly sign a petition, but I am unsure whether it would help his cause or risk further pettifogging entrenchment.<br />I am sure I am not the only one offering up prayers for him daily, my chosen sponsors being Sts John Fisher and Thomas More, as well as petitions to the Holy Spirit to pierce the hearts and minds of our bishops with grace and courage.georgemnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23405504759937110812012-01-17T10:34:20.236+00:002012-01-17T10:34:20.236+00:00Whenever Fr Hunwicke gives public utterance (such ...Whenever Fr Hunwicke gives public utterance (such as here and in Texas) we are brought back to the original inspiration of the Ordinariate: continuity, synthesis and variety within the framework of orthodoxy. That these qualities have so quickly been largely lost sight of is a testimony to the political skill of the Roman Catholic authorities in England and to the willingness of the Ordinariate to surrender their independence of thought.<br />The fact of his preaching this sermon, and still more the content of it, will not endear the preacher to the authorities who have been so anxious to put him in his place. It will be seen as dreadful boat-rocking.Little White Squibbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10303487442867471349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-51221639043590815792012-01-17T03:40:14.226+00:002012-01-17T03:40:14.226+00:00I for one - and I am would be the least in a very ...I for one - and I am would be the least in a very long list I am sure - would gladly petition for him to be ordained forthwith, and with the ecclesiastical equivalent of backpay (I ask not for apologies - they are for heretics and such - and we mustn't expect prodigies and miracles).<br /><br />If no E&W bishop will lay hands on him, too-Catholic ex-blogger as he is, how about the Holy Father? The Ordinariate being what it is, the Ordinary is a Vicar of His Holiness; and I daresay BXVI could fit one more candidate into an upcoming ordination at St Peter's in Vaticano.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.com