tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post611169383766836044..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Dull and Boring ClericsFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-83509535893160853972013-06-01T23:20:48.786+01:002013-06-01T23:20:48.786+01:00@DrAndroSF
There is nothing feminine about the Tri...@DrAndroSF<br />There is nothing feminine about the Tridentine Mass. For many centuries, right up to and including the Second World War, armies of knights were inspired by it to defend Christendom.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-87904738024541948522013-06-01T17:38:27.240+01:002013-06-01T17:38:27.240+01:00I will spare you my rant about the insanely suicid...I will spare you my rant about the insanely suicidal immigration policies of Britain and the West. Lee Rigby can explain that to you.<br /><br />One huge advantage Islam has --besides theological self confidence--is that it is a faith for men. For all its flaws and faults, it is a frankly patriarchal faith that appeals to men and gives them status, something men desire and need. (And which women, unless they be feminists or liars, want men to have.)<br /><br />Christianity, in myriad ways, is a feminine religion, and its collusion with Western liberalism has only made that worse.<br /><br />OreamnosAmericanushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602268350813211243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-83983185549596078782013-05-31T14:17:57.161+01:002013-05-31T14:17:57.161+01:00British christianity dies while Islam thrives? Isl...British christianity dies while Islam thrives? Islam is aggresive in its aims and the weaker Christianity is the stronger it will become.The churches in this country have become weak and not only do nothing to combat Islam but in some instances actively encourage it.<br />As for bland preaching it will be so because the subject matter has itself become bland.What happened to the church militant on earth? What about the church suffering in purgatory? Not many sermons about these subjects.Then we have the church triumphant in heaven but apparently everybody is going there anyway.Good preachers are hard to come by but that should not stop the ordinary ones preaching the faith in season and out of season.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11355106332585552518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-54764748372586096432013-05-31T08:46:44.175+01:002013-05-31T08:46:44.175+01:00Fr Thwaites was never dull and boring ever.
And ...Fr Thwaites was never dull and boring ever. <br /><br />And within six months of his death, we have the first ever Jesuit Pope who, the more we see of him, the more he seems to be in the same mould as Fr Thwaites<br /><br />What exactly is Fr Hugh up to up there :-)Gungariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06148025539041279321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33135401988768402162013-05-31T01:31:04.559+01:002013-05-31T01:31:04.559+01:00I liked Physiocrat's pilgrimage pictures. Than...I liked Physiocrat's pilgrimage pictures. Thank's for those.<br />I think his "recipe" to grow a parish makes a lot of sense too.<br />I was just reading on another blog that the author was in Mass and the priest was walking up and down the aisle asking who knew what the gifts of the Holy Spirit are. This person lifted up her hand and recited them off because she had learned them many years ago in school when they still used the Baltimore Catechism.<br />I see that Jacobi here asks for the bishops to be given a copy of the "Penny Catechism". This lady who knew her catechism, also remarked that too many of the folks helping out in parishes with teaching the Faith actually have almost no idea what the Faith is that they are trying to pass on. Why?<br />Because they have never learned the catechism as she did!<br />I know that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is excellent but few ever look at it.<br />Bring back the "Baltimore/Penny Catechism".JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18973599232120948122013-05-31T00:37:03.361+01:002013-05-31T00:37:03.361+01:00Father,
It's not how a priest talks but what ...Father,<br /><br />It's not how a priest talks but what he talks about.<br /><br />The liberals normally are much more practiced at charismatic presentations and showmanship. Tradition-minded clergy tend to be less flashy and quiet. The traditional priest gets it. It's not he who inspires, but Christ. It's not his words which excite the intellect or prick the conscience, but the Holy Spirit's.<br /><br />St. Peter left the upper room on Pentecost and gave a very simply, straightforward sermon - and received how many thousands into the Church that day.<br /><br /><br /><br />Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835223918176453873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-30482221913828937042013-05-30T22:48:23.573+01:002013-05-30T22:48:23.573+01:00@Jacobi - It is traddie Catholicsm where the growt...@Jacobi - It is traddie Catholicsm where the growth is happening. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/seadipper/8759619086/" rel="nofollow">This is in Sweden</a>, a pilgrimage organised from Stockholm by the Institute of Christ the King's parish, average age of the adults was about 30, the majority ex-atheists.<br /><br />Recipe to grow a parish: <br />* Say Mass in the Tridentine form once a week and once on Sundays, also at other times so that everyone in the parish gets to attend.<br />* Accompany this by catechesis based on the liturgy so that people understand.<br />* Set up a Schola to lead the parish in the singing of Gregorian chant and sing the hard bits.<br />* Engage in some hands-on good work locally.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36348701821633492732013-05-30T20:29:31.816+01:002013-05-30T20:29:31.816+01:00B16's SP was an opportunity to get things goin...B16's SP was an opportunity to get things going again but continues to receive the V sign. I spoke to a bishop and priest both in their 80s recently and they struck me as intellectually immature. One of them repeated the lie about F1 and the papal MC on opening night. I responded that I didn't believe F1 was so rude. It's extraordinary finding oneself correcting an 82 year old.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-27494436249188502572013-05-30T19:30:07.354+01:002013-05-30T19:30:07.354+01:00Jacobi..
I walked away from my parish and joined t...Jacobi..<br />I walked away from my parish and joined the Oratorians in Manchester chiefly through banal liturgy and lack of reverance from parishioners. Some time after I left , I was told that the PP had been asked if he could tell people to shut up while in church. His reply was 'Oh no , if I say that people will stop coming'. This proves your point on not wanting to offend. johnhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03963570078017035494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77273197932846082342013-05-30T17:46:26.173+01:002013-05-30T17:46:26.173+01:00Exactly , Misericordia. Exactly. Exactly , Misericordia. Exactly. johnhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03963570078017035494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78753842217636183542013-05-30T16:51:55.679+01:002013-05-30T16:51:55.679+01:00That the New Mass liturgy, as it has evolved since...That the New Mass liturgy, as it has evolved since 1969, is dull and banal goes without saying.<br /><br />As for clergy proclaiming the Good News, my experience is that they go to great lengths to proclaim nothing at all, presumably because they are anxious not to upset anyone. You know, sin and hell and all that sort of stuff.<br /><br />At Mass, recently, in a “Catholic” country on the Continent, the congregation was circa 100, (40% tourists of course), average age including the priest, 70?, probably more. The number of people below 30, zero! That church building will be a tourist office, or whatever, in twenty years time. <br /><br />My solution, for the Church somehow will survive, is to issue every bishop, yes, let’s start with them, with a copy of the “Penny Catechism” and tell them to read it!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-20571801224589951752013-05-30T16:19:03.322+01:002013-05-30T16:19:03.322+01:00I can remember something that Archbishop Nicholls ...I can remember something that Archbishop Nicholls famously said! When asked about the Church's stance on homosexual unions, he declared "Who knows what's down the road?"Misericordiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909215081944995327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-10033460006499715082013-05-30T16:15:40.234+01:002013-05-30T16:15:40.234+01:00They could not win.....that is the real problem......They could not win.....that is the real problem...their example should be Christ, one Friday He took on the world which he could not win and yet he emerged victorious...ostriches the majority of them areAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89837862110297759502013-05-30T15:37:09.769+01:002013-05-30T15:37:09.769+01:00Don't be so tough on yourself. You're alri...Don't be so tough on yourself. You're alright. And anyway, we'll have another European/ world war soon then everybody will get faithful again, out of desperation. Rich, safe, fat people don't need God. Give me medieval terror and chantry altars over polyester cardigans and cushioned pews every single time.<br /><br />(I have a headache. Where are those paracetamol?)Gillineauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17789163020221679786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48265309277342874232013-05-30T11:36:20.323+01:002013-05-30T11:36:20.323+01:00"...he raised the issue of how Islam seems to..."...he raised the issue of how Islam seems to give a focus to anger, none of which received any considered response..."<br /><br />Liberalism has so infected this society that everybody is scared to give offense. <br /><br />FWIW my response to the above point would be that religions reflect the character of their founders and if a religion is founded by a psycopathic, angry, murderous warlord, then it should not be surprising that it will induce a similar mindset in some, if not all, of its adherents.Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55457166202298488502013-05-30T11:21:12.662+01:002013-05-30T11:21:12.662+01:00Great post Father.
I agree with Damian Thompson -...Great post Father. <br />I agree with Damian Thompson - I too cannot recall anything that ++Nicholls has said. <br />At a time when our Bishops should be getting their feet wet and their hands dirty , they seem to just wring their hands and leave me with my head in mine ! <br />There is no teaching or guidance from our heirarchy - with a couple of exceptions. It is simply not enough to say 'abortion is wrong'for example. Expand. Teach. Inspire.........I'm not holding my breath. johnhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03963570078017035494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-22094690715063755772013-05-30T10:32:35.701+01:002013-05-30T10:32:35.701+01:00I think the English Dominicans have something to o...I think the English Dominicans have something to offer here, and have suggested as much to various clerics. They consistently impress me by living up to their title 'Order of Preachers', but are, perhaps, a little too self-effacing when it comes to bringing their talents to a wider audience.<br />Ian Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14483834647778768645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-60426314654313291232013-05-30T10:05:12.790+01:002013-05-30T10:05:12.790+01:00We need a Michael Voris character here to take on ...We need a Michael Voris character here to take on the bishops like he is challenging Cardinal Dolan!epsilonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785182500278281351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7445566891498844742013-05-30T09:51:48.142+01:002013-05-30T09:51:48.142+01:00A decent liturgy and a brief sermon that is right ...A decent liturgy and a brief sermon that is right on the point will make people come back. Not forgetting decent coffee afterwards, that is the place for the Sign of Peace, not just before communion.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61118258231060840612013-05-30T07:50:41.339+01:002013-05-30T07:50:41.339+01:00Interesting post, as usual. Thank you Father.
It ...Interesting post, as usual. Thank you Father.<br /><br />It reminds me of the interviewer who asked a Catholic Priest " Are all priests ignorant and lethargic?" <br /><br />The priest replied "I don't know and I don't care."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91052972468748131112013-05-30T07:47:53.582+01:002013-05-30T07:47:53.582+01:00Well said, and an aptly chosen pic. I don't k...Well said, and an aptly chosen pic. I don't know where you find them!Deliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383433319373651830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-73516239452640502202013-05-30T06:14:21.757+01:002013-05-30T06:14:21.757+01:00A very poignant and witty post Father. Once I was ...A very poignant and witty post Father. Once I was a teacher and the Head of my Department...as a teacher of Religion, not the Head of my main teaching subject, which was Mathematics...is now a Bishop here. As a teacher he was sincere, but hopeless! I liked him, but, I had no time for him as a teacher. I spent most of my working life as a teacher. It is, somehow, in my blood.<br />I truly believe that I could give better sermons than many, if not most, of the priests here!<br />Accuse me of lacking humility and modesty if you like, but I am not about to retract a word of what I have just written.JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.com