tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post6476298044055772515..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: A New Oratory in BournemouthFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-46426863623466122042016-05-15T14:27:33.439+01:002016-05-15T14:27:33.439+01:00As well as a suitable church, any potential Orator...As well as a suitable church, any potential Oratory needs (i) a benevolent bishop and (ii) priests and seminarians who are prepared to live together and who are motivated by the right reasons, i.e. by a desire to do St Philip’s work in St Philip’s spirit in 21st century, and not simply as a result of a love for the Latin Mass. <br /><br />Part of the problem in the past was the dearth of resources in English on the spirituality and traditions of the Oratory. Fortunately, this is not the case anymore. I particularly recommend:<br /><br />(a) “How to make an Oratory” and “Traditions of the Oratory”, by Fr Jerome Bertram of the Oxford Oratory, both of which may be ordered from lulu.com<br /><br />(b) “In No Strange Land: The Embodied Mysticism of St Philip Neri” by Fr Jonathan Robinson of the Toronto Oratory, which is available from Amazon.<br /><br />“The Idea of the Oratory” by Fr Raleigh Addington of the London Oratory is also excellent, but is out of print and is not easily available. <br /><br />Anyone studying these works will be able to discern whether the Oratory is for them and will, if it is, be able to consider the viability of particular projects. A Scottish Oratory would be wonderful, but although I’m sure the English Oratorian community would be happy to help and advise, I think it would stand a better chance of getting off the ground if the initiative came from Scottish priests and seminarians, and had the active encouragement of a Scottish bishop, than if the initiative came from south of the border. Richard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-42833407723508079862016-05-15T12:10:46.223+01:002016-05-15T12:10:46.223+01:00There are also big unaltered churches in Hexham &a...There are also big unaltered churches in Hexham & Newcastle especially St Michael's in Newcastle which has a large presbytery attached. In my youth we had a canon as PP & (usually) 3 or 4 curates so the presbytery is ideal for a community. The church is Grade 2* listed and totally unaltered inside with a magnificent high alter & reredos & a beautifully painted & decorated ceiling to the large sanctuary (which was large enough to accommodate an all male choir of men & boys of 40+). It is criminal that such a building built over 100 years ago by the donations of (mainly) poor Irish immigrants is being left to rot.David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11177960165825287722016-05-14T16:26:05.453+01:002016-05-14T16:26:05.453+01:00Fr Duncan, please do consider setting up an orator...Fr Duncan, please do consider setting up an oratory in Scotland. There's numerous big Churches in both Dundee and Edinburgh which would be perfect for an oratory!TrueBlueToryBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16194710608121348031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-45717335894587891112016-05-11T22:57:49.873+01:002016-05-11T22:57:49.873+01:00In Bournemouth too. Sacred Heart (the church the O...In Bournemouth too. Sacred Heart (the church the Oratorians are having in the town centre; Annunciation in Charminster; St Thomas More in Iford; and my own parish church, Corpus Christi in Boscombe - all Jesuit churches, though only Corpus Christi remains so.<br />Sue Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15868265477624790008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56580185984155798602016-05-11T13:00:19.294+01:002016-05-11T13:00:19.294+01:00In response to Matthew Doyle, the new Oratorian co...In response to Matthew Doyle, the new Oratorian communities are incurring heavy costs training their new priests. In York one novice is training with the Dominicans in Oxford, and there are a further two who will, Deus Vult, be following on. The good news is that there is every expectation that the good people of York will put their hands into their pockets and come up with the money.<br /><br />I can see Cardiff, where the new community will be serving the student community, being more problematical. Perhaps the Cardiff Oratorians will eventually take over some parish responsibilities.<br />Et Expectohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04273064434098923960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48413096416497736972016-05-11T08:51:47.168+01:002016-05-11T08:51:47.168+01:00Sixupman, the Jesuits in Preston had the place tot...Sixupman, the Jesuits in Preston had the place totally in their control until the late 1950s. Apart from St Walburges, they had St Ignatius, the Catholic College and the Church that they still have - St Wilfrids.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774702583760321182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14921619682816680022016-05-11T06:44:39.206+01:002016-05-11T06:44:39.206+01:00Francis, what a good idea!Francis, what a good idea!Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61054339030839173242016-05-10T23:24:26.606+01:002016-05-10T23:24:26.606+01:00Apparently desk officers at the Oratorians' Gl...Apparently desk officers at the Oratorians' Global Intelligence Unit have been keeping an eye on Upper North Street, Brighton for quite a while. Photographs, floor plans, blueprints, quite a dossier.Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13769697942265014482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-21846174148790219052016-05-10T14:46:45.473+01:002016-05-10T14:46:45.473+01:00If you're going to have priests living togethe...If you're going to have priests living together in parishes (as they did in the old days, hence all the big old presbyteries attached to rather small churches where lots of low masses were said every day) you need more priests. <br /><br />The Oratorians are wonderful, and strike me as leading the ideal life - priests in community and society, but never isolated, and always with congenial company.AndrewWShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00196842185913965725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33156820594461409162016-05-10T14:12:49.992+01:002016-05-10T14:12:49.992+01:00I would wish for every Catholic to have an Oratory...I would wish for every Catholic to have an Oratory on their doorstep, particularly when it comes to provision of the Latin Mass.<br /><br />However, my only concern is with our shortage of Priests nationwide, that more parishes will go without (this being a case in point, with at least one diocesan priest being effectively removed). Obviously this isn't such a problem in Cardiff, there being no movement as of yet.<br /><br />Also the increase in vocations is a wonderful thing. Except - who pays for them to be trained? It is a concern if this will all fall on that one parish (rather than spread across the diocese). I bet Newman's original Oratory consisted of wealthy priests who were all self-sufficient. In any case, I'm sure God will provide.DrMatthewDoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06631492275281667768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6804645354609047492016-05-10T01:33:04.654+01:002016-05-10T01:33:04.654+01:00Dear Fr Ray
Your comment on Facebook hits the nai...Dear Fr Ray<br /><br />Your comment on Facebook hits the nail on the head. It's not just fidelity to "tradition", however that is understood, but the fact that Oratorians live together in community, which is behind the growth of the Oratory in England and the rest of the world. <br /><br />It must be A&B's turn to have an Oratory next. I can think of one Church that would be just perfect.<br /><br />Fr Richard Duncan CORichard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18323208313736139712016-05-10T01:11:59.498+01:002016-05-10T01:11:59.498+01:00I wish the best to them. Fr Dominic is a fine prie...I wish the best to them. Fr Dominic is a fine priest and an excellent confession father. May God's blessings multiply upon them!The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80535468620954910572016-05-09T17:13:21.480+01:002016-05-09T17:13:21.480+01:00All of this is excellent news. Thanks be to God.All of this is excellent news. Thanks be to God.JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33855951939047176972016-05-09T15:03:26.064+01:002016-05-09T15:03:26.064+01:00In Manchester there was an Oratory in formation at...In Manchester there was an Oratory in formation at The Holy Name, but for church legal reasons had to move to St. Chad's, Cheetham Hill Road, where it flourishes. However, it was better placed at The Holy Name being almost part of the university, where the student body were exposed to orthodox Catholicism of a broad spectrum including the TLM. The Holy Name has reverted to the Jesuits, who had tried to sel, and did part of, it. I think the table altar has reappeared.<br /><br />Reference to St Walburge's: I was unaware it had been a Jesuit church, as there remains a major Jesuit church in the town centre. The Lancaster Diocese attempted to sell the iconic St. Walburge's, without success. The previous bishops rejected approach from a Traditional order, because of its "financial effect" it would have upon adjacent parishes (?). The present bishop is more enlightened. <br /><br />Another iconic church in Warrington has been similarly saved.<br /><br />Needs must appears to be the reason for a compromise with the Traditional orders, but not to a degree where a church might be offered to SSPX though!Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-85083582194080063582016-05-09T14:21:08.434+01:002016-05-09T14:21:08.434+01:00Like St Walburge's, Preston, this is another f...Like St Walburge's, Preston, this is another formerly Jesuit big town centre church that seemed to have lost its way and has now found new hope in different hands.<br /><br />(It's over ten years when I used to go there, so no reflection on recent incumbents)RichardThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761130714944237699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91275008223266966422016-05-09T14:19:37.418+01:002016-05-09T14:19:37.418+01:00LO, I missed the Cardiff one, thanks for the infor...LO, I missed the Cardiff one, thanks for the information<br />Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-50342109805016445482016-05-09T12:41:56.558+01:002016-05-09T12:41:56.558+01:00Excellent news and following so quickly on a simil...Excellent news and following so quickly on a similar development in Cardiff.<br /><br />The Oratory (in formation) in York is doing very well, having attracted three novices since it was established.<br /><br />I wonder ehere the next will be!Et Expectohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04273064434098923960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65081744643749377932016-05-09T12:00:40.565+01:002016-05-09T12:00:40.565+01:00An Oratory in Formation was recently established a...An Oratory in Formation was recently established at the University Church in Cardiff http://rcadc.org/oratory-st-philip-neri-formation-cardiff/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12442489743625640809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-81912697692704388642016-05-09T09:38:50.424+01:002016-05-09T09:38:50.424+01:00Excellent news. Sacred Heart has been wonderfully ...Excellent news. Sacred Heart has been wonderfully transformed since the arrival last year of Fr John Lavers. Will he be part of the new Oratory or will he be moving on to another parish?Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12740969565728510756noreply@blogger.com