tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post6787331928471444627..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Flowers from ThornsFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-43453182449447142352013-07-06T23:58:28.113+01:002013-07-06T23:58:28.113+01:00No! JamesNo! JamesFr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-4309459809941821482013-07-06T22:00:53.677+01:002013-07-06T22:00:53.677+01:00parepidemos,
I think you are too sensitive on the ...parepidemos,<br />I think you are too sensitive on the Pope's behalf. <br /><br />Possibly in Buenos Aires spiritual bouquets might be something one has to tell religious sister not to laugh at but as Pope we MUST try to put what he says into context - the context here is some people find such bouquets them helpful, maybe not in BA but he is Pope for every one now.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12108358100324435972013-07-06T20:51:02.991+01:002013-07-06T20:51:02.991+01:00I find the increasing practice of finding almost a...I find the increasing practice of finding almost anything with which to take a swipe at what Francis allegedly says or does to be rather worrying. It is quite un-Christ-like and I certainly do not believe that Benedict XVI would approve.parepidemoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06416012601568784997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3036322653416327762013-07-06T18:44:04.150+01:002013-07-06T18:44:04.150+01:00Lucky thing Roman Rite priests aren't normally...Lucky thing Roman Rite priests aren't normally married unless by exception like coming over from the Anglicans. I have a feeling if Pope Francis were married he'd only tell his wife once that he loved her, figuring that was enough.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2979380004408467132013-07-06T18:41:03.398+01:002013-07-06T18:41:03.398+01:00I think it's a very good thing. It's almo...I think it's a very good thing. It's almost a lost art, unfortunately. After confession I am always humbled if a priest asks me to pray for him.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49478139736530271282013-07-06T00:56:22.519+01:002013-07-06T00:56:22.519+01:00Deacon Augustine, more to the point than the 70x7 ...Deacon Augustine, more to the point than the 70x7 forgiveness or the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy would be the fact that Daniel insisted on praying 3 times a day. (Daniel 6:10) Why was he counting his prayers??? He must have been a Pelagian heretic according to this pope.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372463300223880001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34504814879081459662013-07-05T10:34:55.940+01:002013-07-05T10:34:55.940+01:00With regards to numbers and counting in our spirit...With regards to numbers and counting in our spiritual lives, we should not be so ready to dismiss their significance in favour of a gnostic, ethereal, non-real spirituality.<br /><br />God created a universe which is understandable mathematically - numbers are inherent in His creation. As He chose to become part of His own creation through the Incarnation, He has again blessed and approved what He has made.<br /><br />Scripture is saturated with numbers, their significance and their symbolism from Genesis to the conclusion of the Apostolic revelation. Catholicism has simply maintained this tradition and it was not until the advent of Protestantism and their rejection of the "multiplication of Masses" etc. that this gnostic hyper-spiritualization and rejection of the corporeal, incarnational aspect of true religion became fashionable.<br /><br />I am sure that the Pope would agree with Our Lord that to forgive only once is never good enough - rather we must forgive 70 times 7 times (even if there is no specific finite number indicated by this saying.) If the multiplication of acts of forgiveness is a good thing, how could a Christian assert that the multiplication of prayers is not? Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-45351455276199596102013-07-05T00:28:46.587+01:002013-07-05T00:28:46.587+01:00'Francis, rebuild My pier, which you can see i...'Francis, rebuild My pier, which you can see is in ruins.'The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-58019993253215152132013-07-04T21:47:58.179+01:002013-07-04T21:47:58.179+01:00There is nothing wrong with a spiritual bouquet, o...There is nothing wrong with a spiritual bouquet, on the contrary I think they are a force for good.Two worldwide rosary bouquets presented to Pope Benedict certainly proved fruitful. The third for the consecration of Russia has yet to be fulfilled.<br />I would think that most priests would be pleased to receive a spiritual bouquet and I am always grateful when other people pray for me.The other point to make is that by contributing to a bouquet we are saying prayers over and above those we usually say.Its easy for ones prayers to become routine ( speaking for myself )so an extra effort is surely a good thing.Hopefully heaven will look kindly on the efforts made by all who contribute to these bouquets.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11355106332585552518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61773066769165207842013-07-04T16:37:17.538+01:002013-07-04T16:37:17.538+01:00I must be stuck in 1940
" I'll share tw...I must be stuck in 1940<br /><br /><br />" I'll share two concerns. One is a Pelagian stream that is in the Church at this time. There are certain groups restorationist . I know some, I had to get them in Buenos Aires. And one feels that it is like going back 60 years ago! Before the council ... You feel in 1940 ... An anecdote, just to illustrate, not to laugh, I took it with respect, but I am concerned, when I was elected, I received a letter from one of these groups, and I said, "Your Holiness, I offer this spiritual treasure; 3,525 rosaries". Why not say we pray for you, ask ... but this to keep track ... And these groups return to practices and disciplines that I lived-you do not, because none is old-disciplines, to things that lived at that time, but not now , today are no longer ... " <br /><br />http://www.misionerasdominicas.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=481:papa-francisco-y-la-clar&catid=22:recientes&Itemid=36ServusMariaeNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-53252363808054642602013-07-04T16:32:40.045+01:002013-07-04T16:32:40.045+01:00Father,
I grew up in the early 1970s. I learned a...Father,<br /><br />I grew up in the early 1970s. I learned about "Spiritual Bouquets" from the nuns who taught me. We made them (the cards) in class. <br /><br />I was offended, hurt and put off by the statement attributed by Papa Francesco to the heads of religious communities from Latin America. <br /><br />I'm certain his intent was not malicious but nevertheless it showed that he doesn't appreciate such simple, child-like gestures offered for him. I find that tragic. However, it made me redouble my efforts to pray more rosaries for him. I encourage others to do the same.<br /><br />http://triregnum.blogspot.com/ServusMariaeNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-46142922454306642852013-07-04T15:56:27.682+01:002013-07-04T15:56:27.682+01:00He's also denounced anyone who is "joyles...He's also denounced anyone who is "joyless" or who thinks religion should be "serious" as Pelagians.<br /><br />But I think Pelagians tend to have more joy because they aren't sitting around worrying hoping that some miserly god will give them that elusive grace he seems to always be with-holding. They know that God helps those who help themselves, and so they always have the assurance that they already have God's grace, as much of it as they need. Pelagians take it seriously when Paul says "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me" while Augustinians lie about begging "Oh God! Please just give me a little more grace! Just a little more please please please! Why won't you give it to me you #$%$%#$? Just give me one more scrap! Por favor!!!"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372463300223880001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-554473133279690772013-07-04T15:05:32.272+01:002013-07-04T15:05:32.272+01:00Well I think 325 Rosaries are better than 1 Rosary...Well I think 325 Rosaries are better than 1 Rosary. Did not Our Lady say that little Francesco had to say MANY Rosaries. Obviously if one would be equivalent to many I dare say She would have requested one only. Also she asked for the Rosary to be prayed every day not just once in a lifetime. Is there something I'm missing here? I doubt Pope Francis actually said what was reported from that second hand source.TLMWxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720022091832839393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33854360023538571812013-07-04T14:34:51.891+01:002013-07-04T14:34:51.891+01:00JohnF,
I think it is the counting that he regards ...JohnF,<br />I think it is the counting that he regards as Pelagian, the idea that 325 is somehow better than 324 Rosaries or for that matter 1 Rosary.<br /><br />I suspect he sees the same with following rubrical details.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79684255485393114252013-07-04T14:17:09.889+01:002013-07-04T14:17:09.889+01:00How the Holy Father can call a spiritual bouquet &...How the Holy Father can call a spiritual bouquet 'Pelagian' I don't know.<br /><br />I do hope he was misquoted. <br /><br />I thought Pelagianism was the assertion that mankind is fundamentally good and can be saved by his own means. <br /><br />johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.com