tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post6998753082581372164..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Cornwell's BashFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-50189955425451789692010-05-13T08:02:04.493+01:002010-05-13T08:02:04.493+01:00On Newman as a liberal:
‘Dupanloup wrote to Monse...On Newman as a liberal:<br /><br />‘Dupanloup wrote to Monsell asking him to obtain from Newman theological authorities against persecution. In Newman’s answer to Monsell dated 6th of February 1864, he asks the question whether the civil power may (i.e. “has the right to”) inflict punishment for religion as religion, and replies “My notion is that you must hold the affirmative here, in spite of St. Athanasius’s attacks by persecuting Arian Emperors.” He adds that “The great question is expedience or inexpedience.”’ Wilfrid Ward, William George Ward and the Catholic Revival, p. 268.John Lamontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24488307972298765092010-05-13T02:30:28.085+01:002010-05-13T02:30:28.085+01:00When Fr. Spencer came to Oxford to meet Newman on ...When Fr. Spencer came to Oxford to meet Newman on the occasion of his campaign for prayers for the conversion of England, Newman refused to meet with him.Newman would not even talk to him.Edward P. Waltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02819348411129870835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90971273005059871832010-05-11T17:25:30.578+01:002010-05-11T17:25:30.578+01:00Independent - agreed. While there is no doubt that...Independent - agreed. While there is no doubt that Pius IX was a very holy pope personally, who withstood some of the attacks on the church very well; his conception of the papacy was really the beginning of the deluge that would result in Vatican II. The next Pope that would take the status of the papal cult to a new level was Pius XII.<br /><br />If it hadn't have been for the way Pius IX, Pius X or Pius XII behaved, then Paul VI would not have been able to have unwittingly cast the Barque of Peter adrift into the tempest with his reforms.Aduliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00534730218402742905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-37612809923124041572010-05-10T22:52:20.802+01:002010-05-10T22:52:20.802+01:00What an excellent last paragraph Fr Blake. Newman ...What an excellent last paragraph Fr Blake. Newman was more than a dissenter from 19th century ultramontanism, he was an active opponent. Unlike Pius IX who is alleged on good authority to have said that he was the sole witness to tradition, a view which Bishop Butler writing on Vatican I hastens to explain was held as a private theologian,Pope Benedict has a much humbler conception of his office. As you say he too like Newman takes a patristic view.Independenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199774656279385253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-10696244961389142262010-05-10T21:27:02.555+01:002010-05-10T21:27:02.555+01:00It might be useful to have a list of these ex-prie...It might be useful to have a list of these ex-priests/failed seminarians who make a living from attacking the Church.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12717760860239556322010-05-10T19:07:57.924+01:002010-05-10T19:07:57.924+01:00Jackie,
All of us, priests and people, struggle fo...Jackie,<br />All of us, priests and people, struggle for holiness, we only achieve it in heaven.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23479114320741002892010-05-10T19:05:01.863+01:002010-05-10T19:05:01.863+01:00Father Clifton,
I once might have agreed with you ...Father Clifton,<br />I once might have agreed with you but the Church has announced his impending beatification, therefore I have re-thought my position.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48099637079783993392010-05-10T18:42:44.037+01:002010-05-10T18:42:44.037+01:00Sorry to disagree with your opinion on the Cornwal...Sorry to disagree with your opinion on the Cornwall article. I am afraid that personally I am NOT in favour of Newmans beatification. You point out your self that his personality was flawed. He took set backs badly, he ditched former friends like Coffin and Dalgairns and would not speak to them again . I find his friendship with St John at very least mysterious etc. I noted that Cornwall pointed out that Newman DID NoT want to be beatified and deliberately had his body interred in compost to make it decompose. No miracle there and I dont think Cornwall suggested it was. I will probably losee all my friends for sending you this comment!Michael Cliftonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00568515640292864739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-46196836752262283322010-05-10T18:18:37.796+01:002010-05-10T18:18:37.796+01:00The most offensive comments to me as a Catholic ha...The most offensive comments to me as a Catholic have been from a Catholic priest wishing the death of JPII as "it would be good for women" and the same kind of comment from an old catholic female parishioner. There is an old Slavonic saying that those that try to eat the Pope choke to death!fidelisjoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126244525059161896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-73722352474490618282010-05-10T17:40:47.319+01:002010-05-10T17:40:47.319+01:00Great post Fr Ray...I need JHN here more than ever...Great post Fr Ray...I need JHN here more than ever & on a daily basis pray before his relics. Strong affections are good..Our Lord loved St John passionately...not sexually..Newman loved his friend/s in the same way. I love passionately my husband family friends & priests...I think the Four Loves by CS Lewis is good..Cornwell might do well to read it. St Peter as you rightly say was so human as was JHN..they were "real men" I see the present day Oratorians struggle by the minute..they are men..& we all need to help each other become holy. Sad to say things are tough for priests at this time & quite probably we expect far too much from them.Jackie Parkes MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16693505024823229152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52062398047350307132010-05-10T16:55:58.151+01:002010-05-10T16:55:58.151+01:00They do it for the simple reason that they can,the...They do it for the simple reason that they can,they are certainly not heroic.Attacking somebody who will not or cannot fight back is the way of cowards.<br /><br />Apostasy is a capital crime in some societies,an insult to God,they are well aware of this so it is probably some form of an act of Penance.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803733028691380861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56263181398398533902010-05-10T15:06:32.287+01:002010-05-10T15:06:32.287+01:00Could it simply be that these poor men and women a...Could it simply be that these poor men and women are tormented over having betrayed thier vocation (assuming that they had one in the first place) and instead of seeking the forgiveness of gentle Jesus (they'd need humility) see attacking the Church as their only way out?Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.com