tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post7387459993264463402..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: The Pope on Sloth and AccidiaFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-75624526663895316192014-04-04T18:09:58.239+01:002014-04-04T18:09:58.239+01:00It could be a positive step - and might help to co...It could be a positive step - and might help to combat any sense of accedia - to write to Bishop Egan and express support, and (if we feel blessed with angelic diplomacy and rhetorical force) to write to Cardinal Nichols and express polite but firm outrage.John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-66607735184482121192014-04-03T18:30:20.887+01:002014-04-03T18:30:20.887+01:00When Greg Pope who has supported abortion gets the...When Greg Pope who has supported abortion gets the support of the Bishops Conference against Bishop Egan who is against abortion and suggests people like Greg, i.e. MPs who support abortion, should not receive communion, I begin to give up. Perhaps it is all bunkum; perhaps I will just go to Mass on Sundays and go through the motions but keep my head down, say nothing and try not to understand what is going on.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31314098204087495752014-04-03T17:06:12.714+01:002014-04-03T17:06:12.714+01:00Sorry for the earlier typo...Mario PalmeroSorry for the earlier typo...Mario PalmeroLiam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24009722786524475252014-04-03T15:15:46.960+01:002014-04-03T15:15:46.960+01:00This is a sin I confess regularly, I'm sad to ...This is a sin I confess regularly, I'm sad to say. It is crippling. It affects all but one in my family. It is something learned I think. I only realized it was a sin when I became Catholic. It is simply never discussed in Protestantism - which is mostly therapeutic anyway.Jewelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10766356570958377494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52753003938961794302014-04-03T15:15:38.747+01:002014-04-03T15:15:38.747+01:00Mario Palmer was a loyal son of the Church, neithe...Mario Palmer was a loyal son of the Church, neither slothful nor given to 'accidia'. I suppose the question is for those who desire to evangelize their brethren: Which Catholic Church are you putting forth as the One your brethren ought enter? <br />The one whose doctrines and practices stretch back to Jesus and the Apostles, or that which answers every moral dilemma with the Jesuitical: Who am I to judge?<br />No wonder Catholics are dispirited and hesitant to tout a Church which at any given moment might yank the rug out from beneath their feet.<br />Sorry, but I cannot swallow this 'sloth' and 'accedia' bunkum.<br />PS I wonder how many in the papal listening audience actually know what 'accedia' is and what moral defects it is attributed to. Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59342602475447559172014-04-03T09:43:10.199+01:002014-04-03T09:43:10.199+01:00Accidie is horrid. I have seen priests crippled b...Accidie is horrid. I have seen priests crippled by it. I am not recognising the Holy Father's sentiment about it at all. There is a massive difference between sloth and spiritual sloth and it is a matter of desire. When accidie strikes the desire for holiness, the desire for the love of God, is heart breaking. In ordinary sloth one can't be a**ed about anything, it is a polar opposite.Ritahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120333351409730480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79920520129873103252014-04-03T09:37:59.755+01:002014-04-03T09:37:59.755+01:00On this topic I would commend "The Catholic G...On this topic I would commend "The Catholic Guide to Depression" by Dr Aaron Kheriaty. Dr Kheriaty thinks it is important to distinguish between accidie and depression and has some helpful thoughts on the difference.Mr Grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317128956060393033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34935359993229769672014-04-03T09:08:48.587+01:002014-04-03T09:08:48.587+01:00I haven't read the whole of Evangelii Gaudium ...I haven't read the whole of <i>Evangelii Gaudium</i> yet, but as the quote appears to be a quote from Chapter 2, perhaps it needs to be read in the context of the whole encyclical? Or at least, of that chapter?<br /><br />There is an issue with digging the depressive out of accidie, and it's not easy. As well as pastoral support from one's father in the Faith once one is in that position, surely they should be making sure that one does not end up there in the first place?Andrew Leachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09757362407627046261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84525890786887310432014-04-02T20:46:21.456+01:002014-04-02T20:46:21.456+01:00It’s a good thing Father, that the Holy Father is ...It’s a good thing Father, that the Holy Father is now getting round to Sin, and the deadly ones at that. Sloth is not a bad one to start with.<br /><br />After all, Lust, about which there is much discussion these days, is not the only one. And, off course there's another five to come!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-10605248593382494772014-04-02T19:37:44.965+01:002014-04-02T19:37:44.965+01:00I think we need to read the Pope's homilies wi...I think we need to read the Pope's homilies with the following understanding:<br /><br />(1) He's speaking to a small crowd that he knows to some extent.<br /><br />(2) The only people outside his small group who really care about his homilies are to a large extent interested Catholics whether they are active dissenters or active faithful. <br /><br />(3) If the listener is an interested priest, he's alerting them to a problem that needs remedy. As you state, if Catholics only go to Church because it's their habit, then it's the shepherd's responsibility to move them to the next level.<br /><br />(4) If the listener is an interested lay person, he's bypassing the priest and alerting the faithful to be cautious not to fall into habit and if they do, they need to try to wake up.<br /><br />You correctly point out that sloth and accidie are aggrevated by (though not caused by) a particular personality type: a tendency to depression. But it is incorrect to say that you can do nothing. You can always pray and offer up your suffering, and those two acts by themselves break you out of sloth and accidie (as long as you are reminded).<br /><br />It's sort of like the atheist materialist woman in the Brothers Karamazov that could not escape her materialist assumptions. She *was* helpless, but Father Zosima told her to help others. In helping others, her faith that the other was more than a series of atoms would vanish. It's not pulling yourself up from your bootstraps, but it is nurturing that little grain of mustard seed and trusting in God to grow the seed beyond what you are able to.<br />Anil Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223235205492924930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-74151510139096075202014-04-02T18:56:34.365+01:002014-04-02T18:56:34.365+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Terry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09819523933502820341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33791740587466035672014-04-02T18:42:05.149+01:002014-04-02T18:42:05.149+01:00Thank you for this post, Father.
Today’s accidia a...Thank you for this post, Father.<br />Today’s accidia and sloth are, I think, the result of taking from the laity the solid apostolate they had for evangelising (in the Legion of Mary) and charity (the SVP), which were made to seem ‘old hat’ when compared to the ‘Councils’ and ‘Committees’ which spring up as a way of making people active in their faith. I venture to say it made the laity activity in the community but somewhat de-activated their faith and its witness in the streets.Fr Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702725497183621855noreply@blogger.com