tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post7848123485412130657..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Liturgical NormsFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-43442430706791020802008-03-31T19:37:00.000+01:002008-03-31T19:37:00.000+01:00if only everyone said the black, and did the red, ...if only everyone said the black, and did the red, liturgical life would be easier. I just wrote a litle thought on this the other day at my blog. Prayer and continue saying the black, and doing the red. can't go wrong there :)Joe of St. Thérèsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06506671882770822003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34769638737971394952008-03-27T15:21:00.000+00:002008-03-27T15:21:00.000+00:00A few years ago there used to be a coach load of p...A few years ago there used to be a coach load of parishoners go from our parish to the cathedral, ( less than an hour away). Now so few go that the PP can give them a lift and they are all over 65. I have heard one lady say she goes just to support Father. Yet our church is full on Sundays. From the comments I have heard most other parishoners feel that the level of liturgy, music, etc., at the cathedral is a bit embarrassing. We have, needless to say one of the most liberal and wishywashy bishops in England. I find the comment that most Catholics are content with what they have plain wrong. I was in a Catholic Church, (not my parish), on Holy Thursday when after a fairly reverent but bare bones Mass the whole cogregation joined loudly and fervently in Tantum Ergo. They would have been just as good at the Pater Noster and indeed the ordinary of the Mass had they been given a chance but the priest is, I am told, afraid that such a thing would get back to the bishop and be frowned upon. He is young and has his own parish but is under the eye of a fairly liberal priest in a larger parish hearby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78118798037580935892008-03-27T09:32:00.000+00:002008-03-27T09:32:00.000+00:00Can we have a copy of "ceremonies" so the MC and s...Can we have a copy of "ceremonies" so the MC and servers can study it?Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52771947194741090562008-03-27T02:47:00.000+00:002008-03-27T02:47:00.000+00:00If a priest follows Ceremonies of the Modern Roman...If a priest follows <I>Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite</I> by now Bishop Peter Elliott he can't go wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>Say the black, do the red</I> as Fr Z says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-44427744693754389482008-03-27T01:40:00.000+00:002008-03-27T01:40:00.000+00:00I'm afraid I haven't been to the Chrism Mass for y...I'm afraid I haven't been to the Chrism Mass for years. The minstrel who calls himself a director of music and peddles ditties from Iona and, even worse, his own compostitons (the arrogance of the man!), the lack of mitre and crosier properly worn.<BR/>/used and the usually apalling homily, delivered one year with its focus on deacon's wives....I just can't stomach it before the Triduum. I send the deacon for the Holy Oils and hang on for EWTN's coverage on Maundy Thursday morning. By the way, where did those hideous modern oil containers come from that are wheeled around in St Peter's at the Chrism Mass?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28628707462271491192008-03-27T00:45:00.000+00:002008-03-27T00:45:00.000+00:00Anon, the problem with bad liturgy is that it lead...Anon, the problem with bad liturgy is that it leads to bad understanding and bad theology. So if the majority of Catholics really are content they need to be woken up out of their complacency.<BR/><BR/>That said, liturgy needs to be done properly. The rubrics are only a starting point and have to be adapted to the particular circumstances, including the layout of the church. And everyone involved on the sanctuary needs to know what they are doing and why. This requires thorough preparation and an MC who will train and rehearse his servers, write down what has to be done and ensure the priest has a copy (the priest must allow himself to be bullied) The priest must then follow those instruction. And someone should have the explicit responsibility of making sure books are correctly marked so that the priest is not having to browse through the missal in the middle of mass.<BR/><BR/>The liturgy has to be planned like a military operation which, come to think of it is what it is, for the church is at war with Satan. We have to start taking things seriouslyPhysiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38305194290288386572008-03-27T00:34:00.000+00:002008-03-27T00:34:00.000+00:00"The majority of Catholics are content with things..."The majority of Catholics are content with things as they are."<BR/><BR/>Quite right, and they are never seen in a church. Because they are content we shouldn't be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-1686962974552702802008-03-26T23:17:00.001+00:002008-03-26T23:17:00.001+00:00The reality is that what you experienced at the ca...The reality is that what you experienced at the cathedral is what the Church practices at large. When he dies it is unlikely that BXVI's liturgical policies will have much shelf-life. They've come too late but, in any case, would only appeal to a precious minority. The majority of Catholics are content with things as they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-22667423819313504732008-03-26T21:55:00.000+00:002008-03-26T21:55:00.000+00:00I'm afraid you're still in a minority Father - a g...I'm afraid you're still in a minority Father - a growing one I hope, but a minority still. But, like gor, the metaphor of leaven occurred to me, too, so please do not be discouraged.Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65265428738353407802008-03-26T20:55:00.000+00:002008-03-26T20:55:00.000+00:00Well I reckon our PP can draw his belt in 3 notche...Well I reckon our PP can draw his belt in 3 notches! You've both inspired me to get some weight off..not sure if that was the point of your post! But there you go...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-54978627197703119672008-03-26T20:12:00.000+00:002008-03-26T20:12:00.000+00:00If they "do the black and read the red" they won't...If they "do the black and read the red" they won't go wrong. Any priest or bishop who deviates from this is not in union with the mind of the Church on the Liturgy. There is thus no moral obligation to follow their lead. Simple.<BR/><BR/>The tuneless ditties you had to endure are so passe. Maybe try boycotting the Chrism Mass - I know good sound priests like yourself who do just that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-68090859946993459202008-03-26T15:41:00.000+00:002008-03-26T15:41:00.000+00:00Yes Father, it must be difficult to try and stay o...Yes Father, it must be difficult to try and stay on the straight and narrow when all around are examples of infidelity to the norms and rubrics. But a little leaven can go along way! It took a long time to get to where we are now and it will take time to get back to 'normal'.<BR/><BR/>I think required reading for all priests should be the Holy Father's <I>"The Spirit of the Liturgy"</I>. If they read it and take it to heart, it may inspire them to go back to the other instructions and re-learn how the Liturgy should be celebrated.<BR/><BR/>But the example of the Holy Father can also go a long way to make everyone reflect on what we are doing and why we are here.GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-45321378220106117522008-03-26T14:31:00.000+00:002008-03-26T14:31:00.000+00:00The more a bishop moves from the practice of the U...The more a bishop moves from the practice of the Universal Church, the more dificult for priests (and lay people) to be, "esse" in a state of communion with him, rather than merely to do things, "agere" in communion with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com