tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post9096185281277846559..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: New AriansFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55916716311395889562015-04-02T15:36:12.251+01:002015-04-02T15:36:12.251+01:00Dear Father Blake. This is completely off topic. I...Dear Father Blake. This is completely off topic. I copied it from a Daily Mail comment page. I thought it of interest.<br />"Is this a surprise given that the male and female vicars, bishops, etc., hardly mention Jesus Christ themselves. Listen to the early morning religious programme on Radio 2, usually presented by Clare Balding, and you'll hear the words of religious 'word of wisdom' are generalised or about feminism. Last week the female vicar spoke about clearing out drawers and this morning a male vicar spoke about something or other that I've already forgotten. I am not a Christian but I went to school when religious education was Christian and its as if the vicars only preach what they think will be as vapid as possible in order not to offend anyone. So it's hardly surprising that there are far more people buried in churchyards than use the Church itself"Denishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12408890975843581518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39200285829128192412015-04-02T11:50:57.833+01:002015-04-02T11:50:57.833+01:00Didn't St. Nicholas slap Arius? Maybe a few A...Didn't St. Nicholas slap Arius? Maybe a few Aruans need a good slapping. <br /><br />Seattle KimUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14814310432165404818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-17273883663187758812015-04-01T05:28:12.720+01:002015-04-01T05:28:12.720+01:00Oh, Father, c'mon - it's the lizards! Even...Oh, Father, c'mon - it's the lizards! Even if they don't have the magical powers to move back and forth - it's the blimmin' lizards (BTW some protestants teach literal lizardism whilst still being confused about the divinity of Christ).<br /><br />The divine-demotion of the Incarnate Second Person of the Holy Trinity - is probably, as you say, the source of the problems.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-37309352425334446302015-03-31T19:53:33.433+01:002015-03-31T19:53:33.433+01:00Frank: Extraordinary! Surprisingly the earlier R...Frank: Extraordinary! Surprisingly the earlier Relatio Post Deceptationem is better:<br /><br />"4. In the light of the same discourse we have gathered together the results of our reflections and our dialogues in<br />the following three parts: listening, to look at the situation of the family today, in the complexity of its light and<br />shade; looking, our gaze fixed on Christ, to re-evaluate with renewed freshness and enthusiasm what the<br />revelation transmitted in the faith of the Church tells us about the beauty and dignity of the family; and<br />discussion in the light of the Lord Jesus to discern the ways in which the Church and society can renew their<br />commitment to the family."<br /><br />Possibly the "eye" comes from the agenda document Relatio ANTE disceptationem:<br /><br />The most serious of family problems themselves are considered “signs of the times”<br />to be discerned in the light of the Gospel and read with the eyes and heart of Christ and<br />from his perspective in the house of Simon the Pharisee (cf. Lk 7.36 50).<br /><br />That was written by Cardinal Erdo rather than Archbishop Forte as was the final Relatio Synodi. But the eyes of Christ have become the eye of the Synod possibly squinting at the bright light!Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14837785814591076112015-03-31T18:45:26.291+01:002015-03-31T18:45:26.291+01:00Yes.Now the interesting thing about Arius is that ...Yes.Now the interesting thing about Arius is that he was a veryupright,worthy,respectable sort of clergyman.In fact he was ,dare one whisper it,more admirable in his earnestness than the Orthodox of the day.The monks in particular who looked after glorious St Athanasius,were a rough crew not at all C of E. El Codohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02608531384524240525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-74242003953040883742015-03-31T18:07:50.682+01:002015-03-31T18:07:50.682+01:00Words matter. Translations matter. And, sloppy or ...Words matter. Translations matter. And, sloppy or intentionally misleading statements are at the least confusing at the most, devastating.<br />Here is a blog from another site which made me realize the deceptive operating system in the present Rome:<br /><br />"Just at first glance, and without looking it up on Google Translate, what is the difference between these two passages of a recent important Vatican document, the final “Relatio” from October’s Extraordinary Synod of Bishops?<br /><br /><br />“…confronto alla luce del Signore Gesù per discernere le vie con cui rinnovare la Chiesa e la società nel loro impegno per la famiglia fondata sul matrimonio tra uomo e donna.”<br /><br />and<br /><br /><br />“…facing the situation, with an eye on the Lord Jesus, to discern how the Church and society can renew their commitment to the family.”<br /><br />A little pared down, perhaps? The official Italian original says, roughly, “…facing, in the light of the Lord Jesus, [how] to discern the ways in which to renew the Church and society in their commitment to the family based on marriage between a man and a woman.”fzk5220https://www.blogger.com/profile/01071638907026744982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-29432966230832498872015-03-31T14:31:36.177+01:002015-03-31T14:31:36.177+01:00Forgive me if this is a non-sequitur, but as it is...Forgive me if this is a non-sequitur, but as it is Passion Week I trust you will indulge this observation.<br /><br />I have always found the literal translation of the name of the murderer, Barabbas, whose release the High Priests passionately sought in preference to Jesus, to be so very telling. "son of the father" (as I understand the literal rendering).<br /><br />Barabbas being one who was put in prison with some seditious men, who in the sedition had committed murder according to Mark.<br /><br />So here we have Jesus, True Son of the Father and Barabbas 'son of the father' presented side-by-side to the chief priest and rabbis who stir up the people to cry out for 'mercy' for the 'son of the father of lies' (a murderer from the beginning) and condemn the Son of the Father of Truth (in Whom was Light and Life from the beginning)to death.<br /><br />While Our Dear Lord continues to be scourged and put to death by the sins of men which go uncondemned, I gather there are plans for Francis to call for an end to the death penalty during the Stations of the Cross this Good Friday. (link below)<br /><br />http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/vatican-good-friday-reflections-ask-when-will-death-penalty-be-abolished<br /><br /> Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28206377477846767972015-03-31T11:23:20.642+01:002015-03-31T11:23:20.642+01:00When you compare the first substantive paragraph i...When you compare the first substantive paragraph in Archbishop Bruno Forte's Relatio at the Synod with the final Relatio Synodi you see where he is coming from:<br /><br />Forte wrote:<br /><br />5. Anthropological and cultural change today influences all aspects of life and<br />requires an analytic and diversified approach, <br /><br />This was rewritten by the Cardinals to read:<br /><br />5. Faithful to Christ’s teaching, we look to the reality of the family today in all its complexity, with both its lights and shadows.<br /><br />However the anthropological mumbo-jumbo still gets left in later in the same paragraph.<br /><br />Over the years so many references to the supernatural have been deliberately cut out: 'And with you' instead of 'And with your spirit', 'Peace be with you' instead of 'The peace of Christ', 'Happy' instead of 'Blessed','Life' instead of 'Soul' etc etc.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-46094635186645079982015-03-31T00:35:06.836+01:002015-03-31T00:35:06.836+01:00Father,
There are certainly Gnostics in the Churc...Father,<br /><br />There are certainly Gnostics in the Church today, that is those who attribute a degree of divinity to man. There are people in the Church who think they know better than the Church, better than the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth the Catholic Church, and therefore better than Christ. <br /><br />They think humanity can decide as well as, or better than, Christ. Who believe, for instance, that they have a right to receive Holy Communion regardless of their state of sin, who can decide for themselves, thank you.<br /><br />But then they are as good as Christ, so by definition, Christ is not fully God. As Arian said, he is a good man, probably a very nice man, but no better than they are.<br /><br />So of course they will troop up to receive the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ with everyone else.<br /><br />Yes, Father, there are no new ideas. Just the same old ones in slightly new forms, leading to that ultimate heresy described by St Pius X as “the synthesis of all heresies”, Modernism, which is sorely afflicting the Synod, and the Catholic Church today.Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-554093508231665672015-03-31T00:33:10.640+01:002015-03-31T00:33:10.640+01:00I highly suggest that all real Catholics read Garr...I highly suggest that all real Catholics read Garrigou-Lagrange's Grace, which is online. I have also done a long series on this and the synod. The basic doctrine of the sacraments and grace are being attacked by some of the synod members.Supertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-50313747090732278702015-03-30T22:56:11.326+01:002015-03-30T22:56:11.326+01:00Indeed what should not be forgotten is that Jesus ...Indeed what should not be forgotten is that Jesus rightly claimed to forgive sin as when he said to the man let down through the roof "Your sins are forgiven" and then the Pharisees said "Who can forgive sin except God himself" and then Jesus said "What is it easier to say 'your sins are forgiven' or 'rise take up your bed and walk', but that you shall know that the Son of Man has power to forgive sin, I say, 'rise, take up your bed and walk'"<br />By those words and those actions Jesus showed that he was God himself and he had the power to forgive sin. The Arians denied it.<br />JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-51149100056391300652015-03-30T21:51:09.047+01:002015-03-30T21:51:09.047+01:00Adrian,
Look at what they did.Adrian,<br />Look at what they did.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79889712758333244272015-03-30T20:48:52.139+01:002015-03-30T20:48:52.139+01:00Thank you for this reflection, with which I agree ...Thank you for this reflection, with which I agree 100%. Chapter 6 of my book Resurgent in the Midst of Crisis is entitled "Offspring of Arius in the Holy of Holies" and documents rather carefully the Arianizing moves made in the reform of the Mass.Peter Kwasniewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136784193150446335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-16751391792383791122015-03-30T19:54:59.524+01:002015-03-30T19:54:59.524+01:00I think you will find it very difficult to find ev...I think you will find it very difficult to find evidence that Luther, Zwingli, Calvin etc were anything other than Christologically orthodox. Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533152787340723191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8769227300932873632015-03-30T16:57:35.432+01:002015-03-30T16:57:35.432+01:00"One of his disciples, the same Judas Iscario..."One of his disciples, the same Judas Iscariot who was to betray him, said when he saw it, 'Why should not this ointment have been sold? It would have fetched three hundred silver pieces, and alms might have been given to the poor.' He said this, not from any concern for the poor, but because he was a thief; he kept the common purse, and took what was put into it.<br /><br />And Jesus said, 'Let her alone; enough that she should keep it for the day when my body is prepared for burial. You have the poor among you always; I am not always among you.'" John 12:4-8<br /><br />Mark 14:7 "...But Jesus said, Let her alone; why should you vex her? She did well to treat me so. You have the poor among you always, so that you can do good to them when you will; I am not always among you."<br /><br />Now I may be wrong, but while rebuking the treacherous Apostle Judas, Jesus does not seem to convey a desperate urgency to dash off and give alms to the (materially) poor other than that which may have been the routine and custom of the Apostles theretofore. <br /><br />Rather, He says such may be done 'when you will'. Moreover, He says that the Apostles and disciples would 'always' have the poor among them (implying, I think all this current frenzy about eliminating poverty is futile at best).<br /><br />No football matches or free shaves or free showers or beach balls. <br /><br />The glory and adoration of Jesus Christ comes first. And even then our service to the materially and spiritually impoverished must be done in Christ's name...in Christ's Name.<br /><br />"For whosoever shall give you to drink a cup of water in my name, because you belong to Christ: amen I say to you, he shall not lose his reward." Mark 9:41Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78413712059705145572015-03-30T15:56:55.032+01:002015-03-30T15:56:55.032+01:00Yes, the absolutely hugest problem throughout West...Yes, the absolutely hugest problem throughout Western Christendom is the tendency to strip our Lord of divinity, reduce Christology, join the bandwagon of Paul of Samosata. ...But beware of generalised applications to the multiple schisms of the 16th century. We Lutherans share resolutely the Christology of St Cyril of Alexandria, so you can't hang that charge on our chief doctors, Luther & Chemnitz. ...A Blessed Holy Week in a time of unprecedented doctrinal tumult-cum-meltdown in Western Christendom.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239619550824689228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49986245657354292042015-03-30T15:38:21.461+01:002015-03-30T15:38:21.461+01:00Think I found it for you: History of the Arians, ...Think I found it for you: History of the Arians, Part VII, para 61-62 Try <a href="http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0295-0373,_Athanasius,_Historia_Arianorum_%5BSchaff%5D,_EN.pdf" rel="nofollow"> this link </a> I think the quote you mean is: " And when the Arians saw that the brethren readily ministered unto them and supported<br />them, they persecuted the widows also, beating them on the feet, and accused those who gave to<br />them before the Duke. This was done by means of a certain soldier named Dynamius. And it was<br />well-pleasing to Sebastian1712, for there is no mercy in the Manichæans; nay, it is considered a<br />hateful thing among them to shew mercy to a poor man1713. Here then was a novel subject of<br />complaint; and a new kind of court now first invented by the Arians. Persons were brought to trial<br />for acts of kindness which they had performed; he who shewed mercy was accused, and he who<br />had received a benefit was beaten; and they wished rather that a poor man should suffer hunger,<br />than that he who was willing to shew mercy should give to him. "gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-54388287845974905742015-03-30T14:36:51.030+01:002015-03-30T14:36:51.030+01:00I once heard a deacon say something to the effect ...I once heard a deacon say something to the effect that 'Jesus once had not said yes.' It seemed quite Arian to me, and when I confronted him about it he pretended he misspoke. He is a charismatic speaker and is trained as a lawyer, so he can blather on about nothing forever, and most of what he say centers around emotion- he says the word happy entirely too much.<br />Unfortunately, he cannot take correction, and I am sure he is too foolish to suffer any pangs of repentance for what he has done to me. Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758314961163692341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28621534856505323622015-03-30T13:52:24.524+01:002015-03-30T13:52:24.524+01:00Fr Ray, a lot of what you have written makes sense...Fr Ray, a lot of what you have written makes sense to me, and to some extent explains the wave of crises currently gripping the Church. Before attending the upcoming Synod, it should be made compulsory for bishops to do a crash course on the tri-core doctrinal structure of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the logic and significance of its contents and how the Catechetical Directory compliments it. Any pastoral approach detached from the Trinitarian Mystery, the Christological Mystery and the Ecclesiological Mystery of the Faith is doomed to fail, and will render the Church's mission in the world fruitless, null and void.Gregkangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701337405994375544noreply@blogger.com