Triumphalism isn't just a "High Church" phenomena, here are some tweets from that "Los Angeles Pharoah", Cardinal Mahony.
Now what was Pope Francis saying about humility?
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Mahony seems to forget that Pope Francis also was in charge of the Eastern Churches, which have an equal amount of "pomp". He also has more important things to worry about, than tweeting about the Roman Liturgy.
"This is Pope who's going to take an axe to all the pomp and circumstance at the Vatican; the old guard with their fur and silk robes are quaking. This is a revolution in the Church."
Robert Mickens of The Tablet, talking to The Independent today.
Because the problem with the Catholic Church is "trappings"?! Rather the problem is with evil cardinal archbishops who allow their diocese to descend in to squalor by recruiting predatory homosexuals as priests in preference of holy men who want to serve God with as much reverence as possible. He covered up the resulting abuse then spent $660 Million in payouts to save his own skin. That money really could have helped the poor. Mahoney has the spirit of Judas.
Here is Rorate Caelis tweet response to Mahonys tweet.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/someone-is-very-happy.html
And Pat Archbold of the National Catholic Register (Not Reporter)
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/card.-mahony-tweets-on-liturgy.-so-do-i
I was thinking the same thing, Jonathan. Strange how Mahoney's low church humility doesn't translate into protecting children from rapists or encouraging clergy to live lives of chastity. Who is he fooling!
Surely , this can't really be Cardinal Mahoney! After what the 'real' Cardinal Mahoney had done , no-one would be so self-absorbed that they would tweet such things ? Seeing Mahoney on the front row at the Pope's Sistine Mass made me incredibly angry. I know I am a sinner , and if I don't make it to God's kingdom , I hope this guy is sat next to me.
I think Cardinal Mahony has more to worry about than "pomp"
He should pay attention to Cardinal Law.
It's a phenomenon, father, two of which make two phenomena.
The man has brass neck. I thought that Archbishop Gomez had banned him from the public sphere and here he is tweeting away his sneering comments.
What a thoroughly nasty piece of work this man is. At least with Cdl Law, we haven't heard anything from him since he was replaced.
My thoughts are going towards the Papal Mass on Tuesday. Pope Francis has said that those who support abortion, particularly those in positions of power should not receive the Eucharist. Biden and Pelosi, two "catholic" abortion apologists are attending the Mass and will no doubt be expecting to be fawned over as representatives of POTUS. I do hope someone takes them aside and tells them not to present themselves for Communion - or if they do, the Holy Father publicly refuses them.
Like johnh, I find it incredibly difficult to believe that this is truly Cardinal Mahoney. If I am wrong and it is the cardinal, he should beware of such indiscretions.
Great Memories
For you Mahony!.
http://youtu.be/rLVnhfYHyJ0
Could someone please confirm that it is the real account. It would be greatly appreciated.
I liked Rorate Caeli's riposte to these posts
Yeah well for Cardinal Mahony a simple cassock and prison jumpsuit will suit most people just fine!
Mahony just beams pride from ear to ear. Its all over his countenance.
As for Bobbie Mickens I wonder what he will be doing to show his "poverty of spirit". He always seems so anxious to parade his opinions before men and sit at the top table. On the BBC it was like he couldn't get in front of the camera quick enough. Perhaps in the spirit of St. Francis of Assisi he'll stay in a pension or a youth hostel instead of a 4 or 5 star hotel and donate the difference to the poor but I doubt it. Theres's no hypocrisy like liberal hypocrisy.
PF has been described as a man of 'militant humility (quote below).
Justin said "very stern and severe man" - the press are painting him as a man of great charity, although this probably means wealth. James said "Today he failed to impart the Apostolic blessing at the end of his audience with the media, preferring to 'bless' those present "silently" with no sign of the cross given." I have a protestant relative, we'll call him Sam, that I don't hear from much, but now the question on the table is 'what do you think of the new pope' - Prostestants worth their 'i can't beleive it's not salt salt' can't take their eyes off the Church and are always peering at the (even if viewed from the wrong end of the kaleidoscope) Historical Church. They know what the Church has taught for ages about the authorship of the Holy Spirit and Apostolic succession and the Primacy of Peter and how all three belong in the same seamless garment, and they also know, as Sam did, that when a pope has an audience whom he doesn't bless them but asks for their blessing instead, the above mentioned garment has just had its sleeve torn off - Christ's representative withholding (sounds so NO) an apostolic blessing in favour of non-apostolic 'blessings'. Sam is very hopeful about this pope who kneels before protestant ministers (minister of what?) and seeks their blessing - an action which he knows points an accusatory finger at succession and the Primacy of Peter. At any rate, the idea that the Holy Spirit is cristicising succession and primacy from the very seat that has vouchsafed it for centuries appeals.
opinions of the pope from protestants and atheists are all over the place so here's the opinion of Fr. Christian Bouchacourt District Superior of South America, of the SSpx:
"Cardinal Bergoglio wishes to be a poor man among the poor. He cultivates a militant humility, but can prove humiliating for the Church. His appearance in the loggia of St. Peter’s in a simple cassock without his rochet and mozzetta is a perfect illustration. He is a fine politician… And idealistic apostle of the poverty of the 70’s, he is completely turned towards the people, the poor, but without being a disciple of the theology of liberation.
Very conscious of the dilapidated state of his clergy, he did nothing to fix things. Never has the seminary of Buenos Aires had as few seminarians as today. It is a disaster, as have been the liturgies presided over by the “Cardinal of the Poor.” With him, we risk to see once again the masses of Paul VI’s pontificate, a far cry from Benedict XVI’s efforts to restore to their honor the worthy liturgical ceremonies.
He was firmly opposed to abortion. But while he wrote a beautiful letter to the Carmelites of Buenos Aires against the homosexual “marriage” bill – which was unfortunately voted through in the end – he had a regrettable discourse read during the protest against this bill, in which the name of Our Lord was not pronounced even once, while the Evangelistic pastor who spoke before him to excite the crowd delivered a more courageous discourse…"
p.s. Fr.John Colet's Convocation Sermon (1512)
...The fourth worldly evil which mars and spots the face of the Church is incessant worldly occupation in which many priests and bishops in these days entangle themselves-servants of men rather than of God, soldiers of this world rather than of Christ. For the Apostle Paul writes to Timothy, "No man that warreth for God entangleth himself in the affairs of this life." But priests are "soldiers of God." Their warfare truly is not carnal, but spiritual: for our warfare is to pray, to read, and to meditate upon the Scriptures; to minister the word of God, to administer the sacraments of salvation, to make sacrifice for the people, and to offer masses for their souls. For we are mediators between men and God, as Paul testifies, writing to the Hebrews: "Every priest," he says, "taken from amongst men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins." Wherefore the Apostles, the first priests and bishops, so shrank from every taint of worldly things that they did not even wish to minister to the necessities of the poor, although these were the greatest works of piety; for they said, "It is not right that we should leave the word of God and serve tables; we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and the ministry of the word of God." And Paul exclaims to the Corinthians, "If you have any secular matters, make those of you judges who are of least estimation in the Church." Indeed from this worldliness, and because the clergy and priests, neglecting spiritual things, involve themselves in earthly occupation, many evils follow. First, the priestly dignity is dishonored, which is greater than either royal or imperial dignity, for it is equal to that of angels. And the splendor of this high dignity is obscured by darkness when priests, whose conversation ought to be in heaven, are occupied with the things of the earth. Secondly, the dignity of priests is despised when there is no difference between such priests and laymen; but (according to the prophet Hosea) "as the people are, so are the priests." Thirdly, the beautiful order of the hierarchy in the Church is confused when the magnates of the Church are busied in vile and earthly things, and in their stead vile and abject persons meddle with high and spiritual things...
Roger M. is the consummate horse's backside. Too bad Francis is most likely too polite to plant a red-shod boot in Roger's keister.
I can envision the scene in the emergency room. "Your holiness, if you just relax your ankle a bit, we'll have you both out of here in a jiffy."
Interesting that the concepts of "low" and "high" have entered the discourse in our Church. I was with some very low church Anglicans (Walsinghanm is a dirty word to them!) and they liked the first impression of Pope F as an "evangelical".
He is saying "now the attention is off my crimes"! He is saying he got what voted for. He is saying he got his revenge! Mahoney has NO integrity and his vanity prevents him from any realisation he is a bif fraud!
Pope Benedict, at least for some, was a real balm. Movement in Mysterious (sometimes it's time to listen to 'Gloomy Sunday', again) ways, can remind us of that not ever too far away 'Job' thing. " "I know that thou canst do all things, and that no purpose of thine can be thwarted. 'Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?' Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I did not know. 'Hear, and I will speak; I will question you, and you declare to me.' I had heard of thee by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees thee; therefore I despise myself, and repent in dust and ashes." But that also never far away mustard seed keeps safe the balm.
From my reading, "trappings" should be understood in the context of clericalism than anything else. Pope Francis is a living example of that.
If you think that nothing has been done in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles to protect young people and children, think again. Every person who works near children in Catholic Parishes, Schools and other institutions must be fingerprinted and attend classes on "Protecting God's Children". There are many safeguards for children, including age appropriate education for children and teens.
I do not put up with any nonsense in my parish. I've been pastor here for nearly 10 years. In my 32 years as a Priest I've reported two men to the authorities for child molestation. I am certainly not afraid to speak out and act against this horrendous sin.
I am very glad for the leadership of our Archbishop, Jose' Gomez. He is providing a wonderful example of dignity and humble service to the Church in Los Angeles.
Fr. John Higgins
Pastor
Pope Benedict had many admirable projects but my favourites were the wider availability of the TLM and the success and extension of the Ordinariate. Pope Francis is in favour of neither according to reliable sources. Surely they can't both be right. What is going on?
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