tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post1269801993527269726..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: The next Synod: Clergy with wivesFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-60099071405293486492016-01-20T12:51:10.922+00:002016-01-20T12:51:10.922+00:00Slightly off topic perhaps - but I like your respo...Slightly off topic perhaps - but I like your response to Denden 'prophecy or superstition?' - an engraced insight that ? Thank you. Stephen Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13100264523989763780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84276211032745810382016-01-16T16:59:17.429+00:002016-01-16T16:59:17.429+00:00In addition to the discussions on celibacy we have...In addition to the discussions on celibacy we have the thought of permitting divorced & remarried Catholics to receive Holy Communion. Surely this will lead to an inevitable split in the Church especially if the decision is left to individual bishops. The incumbent might happily allow it & yet his successor may be much more Catholic. Where will that leave the Faithful? Are we going to say 'come back SSPX all is forgiven' or will our 2 traditional Orders (FSSP & ICKSP) be expected to uphold or Catholicity & will unsettled priests join them?David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77959591637701878262016-01-15T23:49:38.045+00:002016-01-15T23:49:38.045+00:00I have no doubt in my mind that celibacy is a grea...I have no doubt in my mind that celibacy is a great priestly gift to God; and even a million abuse scandals would not convince me otherwise. It would be like saying we should not fast at all, merely because some are weak-willed and break their fast.<br />But regardless of how strongly or how little strongly some of us may feel, we would need to be united against the notion of married priests simply for the vital reason that the enemies of faith are using it with enormous determination as a battering ram to breach the walls of sacred discipline and inflict the next blows - suggesting that the priesthood doesn't matter, and nor does chastity.<br />There will always be a few honourable and/or unavoidable exceptions - e.g. convert clergy, the Ordinariate etc: but we should not regard these exceptions as a reason for instituting it as a permissive rule for all. It's interesting that Fr Hunwicke has himself stressed this in a recent post.John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59601651620184405182016-01-15T21:12:57.229+00:002016-01-15T21:12:57.229+00:00I'm struck by how much Michael Voris looks lik...I'm struck by how much Michael Voris looks like Donald Trump.amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725079317721810593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78866845782359238602016-01-15T02:49:14.918+00:002016-01-15T02:49:14.918+00:00Father, I'm not sure you have Voris correctly ...Father, I'm not sure you have Voris correctly understood. In fact, I do not think Voris is against celibacy as a requirement for ordination. He himself has, I believe, taken a personal vow to remain celibate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69374984736240729412016-01-15T00:29:20.961+00:002016-01-15T00:29:20.961+00:00Getting back to your original point Father, cheer ...Getting back to your original point Father, cheer up. History has not come to an end. The Relativist Reformation. The penny is beginning to drop generally, I see. <br /><br />No one has to be a Catholic after all. Matter of choice. <br /><br />So enjoy it Father! <br /><br />But the others had better have their your answers ready at the Last Judgement!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6534222005030184752016-01-14T23:58:40.768+00:002016-01-14T23:58:40.768+00:00Father,
Thank you for responding to my post.
I...Father,<br /><br />Thank you for responding to my post. <br /><br />I understand better what you meant by what you followed with. I agree that a celibacy that isn't self-denying isn't really celibacy. If you consider what some seminaries are teaching seminarians regarding homosexual activity not violating celibate vows, then certainly for many in the priesthood, it comes down to what the definition of "celibacy" is. How very Bill Clinton.<br /><br />It's clear for decades, and perhaps centuries, that homosexuals saw the rule of celibacy was a convenient cover for their tendencies and many times actions. <br /><br />How many of us have seen our priests, in lay clothes, engaging in public social behavior that they shouldn't be?<br /><br />There is little doubt about the truly faithful that the hardest job in the world is Catholic Priest. But that doesn't mean we still can't hold all priests to the high standard set by Our Lord.Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18174609731028182853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-30689006078011854272016-01-14T23:58:17.981+00:002016-01-14T23:58:17.981+00:00What a bunch of crap, that married priests are any...What a bunch of crap, that married priests are any answer. The same theory applies to what's wrong with families. Many fathers in this world have failed to master discipline of their sexuality. Pornography and sex for pleasure at any cost, two diseases running rampant. If one cannot maintain any spiritual discipline, one is unfit to be a father. How can a priest or married father of a family be expected to lead his family toward Heaven if he is morally bankrupt, himself?johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17581219188309443584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-35341732611557466452016-01-14T22:56:44.854+00:002016-01-14T22:56:44.854+00:00I don't see any point to married deacons. They...I don't see any point to married deacons. They cannot say Mass, they cannot hear confession. They can assist a priest at Mass but then, so can I. They can distribute Holy Communion, but then, so can I. They can take Holy Communion to the sick, but then, so can I. What is the point of having them? Oh! they can conduct Liturgies of the Word, but then so can I. And I do all of these things and I am not a deacon. I am an Instituted Acolyte and have been for the last 40 years. What is the point of married deacons?JARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14725148576735709282016-01-14T20:47:12.335+00:002016-01-14T20:47:12.335+00:00At a 25th. Anniversary Mass for a priest friend, h...At a 25th. Anniversary Mass for a priest friend, his bishop preached against the Ordained Priesthood in favour of a lay-led organisation. [I kid you not.] At last years feast of St, Philip Neri, the local bishop preached on the future of Mother Church in lay hands - it was also the first anniversary of an Oratory priest in that church. The same bishop's solution to the current priest shortage is the Diaconate and laity, consolidating parishes and selling-off presbyteries - currently no Permanent Deacons in the diocese. The Liverpool Archdiocesan Directory [2012] published a list of Permanent Deacons together with their wives, fifty plus in number. An experience in a South West parish, with three Permanent Deacons, one of which dressed as a pretend priest, I found dispiriting - the pastor preached against the Magisterium, some example for his deacons. Mass incorporated CofE affectations. Strangely, his supply priest from the adjacent parish, also preached against the Magisterium - he an ex CofE clergyman. We have someway to go before hitting bottom!Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76046855382517603702016-01-14T20:23:18.104+00:002016-01-14T20:23:18.104+00:00Robert,
Orthodox marry before ordination, not afte...Robert,<br />Orthodox marry before ordination, not after ordination - so deacons marry and then maybe ordained priest but priest do not marry.<br /><br />One of the problems today is few women want to marry an Orthodox who wants to be priest, in Greece at least, so Orthodox clergy tend to be increasingly celibate.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38433825510544091912016-01-14T20:16:13.437+00:002016-01-14T20:16:13.437+00:00Guardian.
Perhaps I should have said 'under th...Guardian.<br />Perhaps I should have said 'under the guise of celibacy'. The problem is that celibacy that is not self denying can disguise many things.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38681738613641419372016-01-14T19:57:54.322+00:002016-01-14T19:57:54.322+00:00I would love to know what the families of Ordinari...I would love to know what the families of Ordinariate priests themselves think. Or those of married permanent deacons. We always get to hear what the men themselves think about their position, but their families also have a point of view, surely?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65851001482663635742016-01-14T19:31:37.986+00:002016-01-14T19:31:37.986+00:00I think we need a celibate priesthood now more tha...I think we need a celibate priesthood now more than ever, because we need an example of purity when it comes to sex. Our culture is SO inundated and focused on sex that it's hard to find a TV channel, a movie, a magazine, a newspaper, etc., that doesn't have sex woven into it. Our society acts like there's nothing else. We need to see good examples of self-denial and purity, that prove that not having sex isn't fatal. LOLAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07391310286254186226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56888905750162920382016-01-14T19:22:48.847+00:002016-01-14T19:22:48.847+00:00Celibacy is a gift so that a man might give of him...Celibacy is a gift so that a man might give of himself totally to the Bride of Christ, the Church. I have dealt with many protestant pastors and their family comes first and the preaching is a job. They are not readily available.<br /><br />I still read that faithful orthodox men are still being sifted out of some seminaries and homosexuals are still getting in. Marriage in the true sense for a sodomite is not possible and with gay 'marriage' legal, then would we not have what some of the protestant communities have which is gay 'married' lovers preaching their own brand of 'gospel'?M. Prodigalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598092468839468735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56135818624293656352016-01-14T18:34:07.999+00:002016-01-14T18:34:07.999+00:00Synod scares me too, but so does the Holy Father.
...Synod scares me too, but so does the Holy Father.<br />Gertrudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443302079077125890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-35989059593531198012016-01-14T18:24:24.647+00:002016-01-14T18:24:24.647+00:00"Similarly, if we are to believe Michael Vorr..."Similarly, if we are to believe Michael Vorris celibacy seems to be an important contributory factor in the mess and scandals of the American Church and the rise in power of the gay lobby."<br /><br />I may be simple, but could you explain this to me? I am fully aware of what Michael Voris has recently said and I am fully aware of the homosexual problem in the priesthood that has been there for decades. So please explain to me how celibacy has empowered homosexuals in the priesthood to create so many problems?<br /><br />My blog: aguardian.blogspot.comGuardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18174609731028182853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90741665051413953242016-01-14T14:11:14.615+00:002016-01-14T14:11:14.615+00:00Keep in mind Father. Byzantine Catholic priests ar...Keep in mind Father. Byzantine Catholic priests are also allowed to be married. Even Eastern Orthodox priests can be married as well. So it already exists in the Catholic church as a whole, as well as the Orthodox.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01725445787551443589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-42186606817576383252016-01-14T13:45:56.137+00:002016-01-14T13:45:56.137+00:00Here in the States, at least, the ordination of ma...Here in the States, at least, the ordination of married men would be an absolute disaster -- we already have a large contingent of married clergy (permanent deacons; I believe our country contributes about half or so of the world's population of permanent deacons), many of whom would probably readily become priests if given the opportunity, and who are nearly uniformly awful.Sean W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10085184456489549231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-30179639712448716202016-01-14T13:15:25.269+00:002016-01-14T13:15:25.269+00:00Father,
Married clergy is not the answer in the C...Father,<br /><br />Married clergy is not the answer in the Catholic Church. <br /><br />I understand there are such in the Church in England but that is a special and temporary arrangement. It will solve nothing. And female priests are not a possibility in the Catholic Church. Such a sect would no longer be within Catholicism but would presumably come within one of the many sects which will emerge from what is now seen to be the Relativist Reformation.<br /><br />We will just have to carry on with you old celibates and some excellent young ones too now that the seminaries are being sorted out. <br /><br />The Church of England and other Protestant sects have tried married clergy. It does not work. They are all evaporating away even faster than we declining. Voris is partly right. A sympathetic homosexual lobby does exist but I believe the priests coming form the seminaries now are different. <br /><br />There may be fewer of them but then we don't need as many priests now do we with a Church which will be smaller for a while than anyone actually foresaw?<br /><br />So cheer up. There will be a Synod, possibly 2/3 popes from now, but it will be all about a Counter Relativist Reformation. Enjoy it!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-19314405256306131492016-01-14T11:39:27.175+00:002016-01-14T11:39:27.175+00:00denden,
A 'prophecy' or superstition?denden,<br />A 'prophecy' or superstition?Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-433588190378944312016-01-14T11:05:37.145+00:002016-01-14T11:05:37.145+00:00I wonder if after the defeat of the liberal agenda...I wonder if after the defeat of the liberal agenda at the recent Synods whether his Holiness is any more enthusiastic about having another Synod as you are? Would not the money it all cost have not better been spent on the poor? It is going to be interesting to see whether the Apostolic Exhortation is going to say anything more than what was said in Familiaris Consortio. If not it will show what a colossal waste of time it all was coupled with a great deal of divisiveness.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33471316835786135862016-01-14T06:03:32.584+00:002016-01-14T06:03:32.584+00:00Hello Father Ray.There is a prophecy that the next...Hello Father Ray.There is a prophecy that the next pope after Pope Benedict is from masonic groups.Peter the roman is not pope francis but St.Peter.He is commisiioned by Jesus to guide Pope Benedict XVI.Pope Benedict is ousted in the church cunningly by these masonic groups.if you have time please visit https://fatherofloveandmercy.wordpress.com/ .Denden Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12161325177821841745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-19477994338551257672016-01-13T22:26:15.242+00:002016-01-13T22:26:15.242+00:00What does the wife do while her husband is at semi...What does the wife do while her husband is at seminary training for the priesthood? If there are children, how are they financially supported during this time?. Priestly formation is long and taxing. Would it be shortened, and thus compromised, to adapt to the family obligations of a married man?Misericordiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909215081944995327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-67982510565150928052016-01-13T21:26:42.140+00:002016-01-13T21:26:42.140+00:00Put an end to celibacy and every half way decent l...Put an end to celibacy and every half way decent looking priest ( and quite a lot of ugly ones) will be targeted by frustrated old maids and other assorted predatory females. It's bad enough WITH celibacy. And that is only one very minor consideration. Chloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938814790482289950noreply@blogger.com