tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post1940258558937736265..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Brighton Funeral Director's Wicked DeceitFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7658133383086591672008-02-27T13:33:00.000+00:002008-02-27T13:33:00.000+00:00Is it not "fraud" in the legal sense on somebody`s...Is it not "fraud" in the legal sense on somebody`s part to effect a deceit like that on the bereaved ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216619732353177072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-1168774667264479822008-02-27T07:46:00.000+00:002008-02-27T07:46:00.000+00:00Father, I can appreciate you not wanting to hurt t...Father, I can appreciate you not wanting to hurt the feelings of a given family, but if these "people" are not sorted out they will keep doing it AGAIN and AGAIN to more families.<BR/><BR/>I would be very suprised if this didn't fall under the laws of fraud. Most places are very particular for standards regards "the funeral industry" -- I would see if it were possible to get that undertakers license yanked if I could or sue them to the hilt.<BR/><BR/>I'm very surprised that the family did not FIRST seek a priest, even before they sought an understaker.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think it's too bad you can't just punch the guy(s) who did it RIGHT IN THE SNOUT.<BR/><BR/>If I were on that jury I wouldn't convict.<BR/><BR/>Karengemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36541114248446350262008-02-26T23:32:00.000+00:002008-02-26T23:32:00.000+00:00The last thing I would want is to disconcert the f...The last thing I would want is to disconcert the family. They believe they had Catholic priest celcrate the funeral.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34309235698866785282008-02-26T23:16:00.000+00:002008-02-26T23:16:00.000+00:00What disgusting behaviour! Is it posible to repor...What disgusting behaviour! Is it posible to report him to the police? I assume he was paid a fee and was therefore guilty of fraud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-32198063185246995822008-02-26T22:48:00.000+00:002008-02-26T22:48:00.000+00:00Dear Father,I think you're quite right in your app...Dear Father,<BR/><BR/>I think you're quite right in your approach to these people.<BR/><BR/>I also think there's a trading standards issue here. If this were, say, a builder claiming qualifications he didn't have, then I would certainly suggest that a complaint should be made and I would hope that trading standards would be willing to prosecute for the sake of future customers. My own limited experience would suggest that they would.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it might on balance be a bad thing to encourage the family to complain in these sensitive circumstances, but some recourse to the trading standards people might be worth considering and might also be useful threat to make to the malefactors when you find out who they are.Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-5056447948929382652008-02-26T20:56:00.000+00:002008-02-26T20:56:00.000+00:00Anon.,The cape, the mozzetta signifies jurisdictio...Anon.,<BR/>The cape, the mozzetta signifies jurisdiction, it is never worn "in choro" except by a prelate. A parish priest, etc - not a curate, though I maybe mistaken - may wear as "abito piano".Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-57608896249747814092008-02-26T20:29:00.000+00:002008-02-26T20:29:00.000+00:00Go for it, Father, and while you're at it, get the...Go for it, Father, and while you're at it, get the firm of undertakers the biggest wave of negative publicity possible.<BR/><BR/>"Wicked deceit" is the sort of thing that lands you in Hell.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36822655627684874522008-02-26T20:09:00.000+00:002008-02-26T20:09:00.000+00:00Father, the cape you refer to is part of a Bishops...Father, the cape you refer to is part of a Bishops cassock called a chimere (or zimarra or simarre or simar) - I know at least one priest who wears a black one - the reason being that he is a canon lawyer - he also has a special ring because of his position in the Church. So it is possible for a Catholic priest to wear one. I am not fully sure what his jurisdiction is (he is now retired) but I would be very interested to find out more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8827416845571645502008-02-26T19:29:00.000+00:002008-02-26T19:29:00.000+00:00It's a sign of the times Father.Everybody is" AT I...It's a sign of the times Father.Everybody is" AT IT"<BR/>Thieving is becoming normal behavior,the country and the local authorities are all a bunch of pickpockets,posing as a Priest to steal a few shillings is Modern Day entreprneurship and mugging old people in the street is just a natural progression.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803733028691380861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39544678940201504472008-02-26T19:08:00.000+00:002008-02-26T19:08:00.000+00:00That is so sad Fr Ray. Perhaps, if it is possible,...That is so sad Fr Ray. Perhaps, if it is possible, they may be open to a Catholic funeral Mass 'after the event' so to speak for the family, nearest and dearest, followed by a 'proper' Sacramental ceremony at the cemetery. I wouldn't know the in's & out's but if it were my family situation and this horrid 'double act' had been pulled on me, my greatest comfort and joy would be in being able to have Holy Mass said for the deceased family member and a ceremony at the graveside - with a REAL Catholic Priest.<BR/><BR/>And then I would go gunning for the impostor! (Only joking). Did you say he was the boyfriend of a local undertaker - many female undertakers in Brighton then?Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13031618301013986930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2842525074308907752008-02-26T18:48:00.000+00:002008-02-26T18:48:00.000+00:00Absolutely right Father. I banned one undertaker f...Absolutely right Father. I banned one undertaker from my Church until he publicly apologised (I won't bore you all with the details). On two occasions I had the family change the undertaker from him--when I explained my reasons they were horrified and happy to change. I made sure I didn't recommend one undertaker over another though. That could be construed as favouritism...<BR/><BR/>-- <BR/>Fr Steven Fisher<BR/>Ramsgate, Kent, UKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com