tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post23212145625283416..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Catholic Voices in "dialogue"Fr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12305104361879397412010-11-05T21:33:00.740+00:002010-11-05T21:33:00.740+00:00Ah well !
I spoke too soon....
They've already...Ah well !<br />I spoke too soon....<br />They've already received permission to become a 'Catholic Academy' in Manchester....<br />God help us all!On the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-25766040534153734172010-10-30T14:05:34.388+01:002010-10-30T14:05:34.388+01:00Having just read the transcript of Jack Valero'...Having just read the transcript of Jack Valero's latest media appearance on John Smeaton's spuc blog ; and read Austen Ivereigh's 'reframing' of the canonically well- defined principle of Catholic Laicism [separation of Church and state and non-political participation of Clergy/Religious] into a 'Healthy,Positive SECULARISM'... <br /><br />[I kid you not - Faith Schools & Charities and any advocate for religious conscience rights had better beware! Especially as this comes from cormac's right hand man in the nefarious far-from-laicist activities during the Blair-regime] <br /><br />...I am more than convinced that Catholic Voices should definitely NOT make any attempts to extend its remit into the reformation of a pseudo-Catholic Evidence Guild; nor should it even become involved in any other attempt by another party.On the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-25204765688159239892010-10-30T12:38:47.633+01:002010-10-30T12:38:47.633+01:00I think people must be reminded that Catholic Voic...I think people must be reminded that Catholic Voices is now an Independent Charity ; the three co-ordinators now being trustees.<br /><br />It must also be remembered that Catholic Voices's remit is merely to appear within the media and unofficially speak in defence/promotion of a relevant social issue from a Catholic perspective. It has always stated from point one that it is neither apologetical nor considers the media as an apropriate place to evangelise. <br /><br />Ergo it is a media operation for the media - it is NOT catechetical, nor a source for cogent apologetics nor does it train its team to evangelise.<br /><br />Much as many of us would love it to be the beginnings of a resurrected Catholic Evidence Guild ; its paradigms and main objectives are almost directly contrary to it - it is not interested in formulating a fundamental catechetical/evangelical/educational/apologetic structure; rather it is involved in constructing a 'reactive' media argument derived from these.<br /><br />CV's trustees are NOT trained in apologetics; they are media-hacks for a news-media environment; nothing more ; and they train the CV team accordingly - it's their publicly stated remit.<br /><br />Fr Ray's idea is truly wonderful - and it is something for which we have been calling for years - but an initiative which became a mass apologetic movement for classrooms , parishes, workplaces and in-depth media apologetics/evangelism - will not be sourced in Catholic Voices or indeed many of the people involved - it must be formed and co-ordinated by people of distinctly different capabilities.<br /><br />This is no place to repeat the many criticisms of Catholic Voices and its trustees; but it is certainly one to promote a new Catholic Evidence Guild - Bearing in mind that CVs should remain within their own media remit and not make any attempts to do that for which they were neither engaged nor capable of performing.On the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69210267567451883982010-10-29T09:26:06.769+01:002010-10-29T09:26:06.769+01:00Polly Toynbee,that World Renowned Atheist/Humanist...Polly Toynbee,that World Renowned Atheist/Humanist would be difficult to talk to.<br /><br />Her " Final Solution" rings a bell somewhere.<br /><br />Where would you start with a Social Democrat /Atheist/Humanistnickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412418782531527758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-64439862589044018802010-10-29T00:33:56.758+01:002010-10-29T00:33:56.758+01:00I'm not sure what to think about Catholic Voic...I'm not sure what to think about Catholic Voices, and I don't know anyone involved in it.<br /><br />One the one hand, I agree that we don't want a narrow self-appointed group holding themselves out as representing (even if not officially) Catholicism.<br /><br />On the other hand, it often seemed that no-one was speaking up for the Church in the mass media, so well done to those involved for getting something together and working.<br /><br />And from my small knowledge of the national media, most journalists like to show balance but are lazy - they won't bother to search out alternative views, but will use them if they are easy to find and use. So Catholic Voices does seem to provide a useful role in offering a simple source of orthodox Catholics who know how to perform for the media.<br /><br />But I can't help thinking it's a pity that the Bishops can't do what Catholic Voices seeks to do.<br /><br />If our Bishops were willing and able to defend the Church in the national media, then there wouldn't be any need for Catholic Voices.Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31905139357249036782010-10-28T18:29:57.342+01:002010-10-28T18:29:57.342+01:00I went a funeral once presided over by a "Hum...I went a funeral once presided over by a "Humanist" it made me feel quite queasy.<br /><br />One would have to be a masochist to try and communicate with that lot at The Lord Nelson.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412418782531527758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34861564404106033372010-10-28T18:16:00.571+01:002010-10-28T18:16:00.571+01:00I don't think there is anything wrong in Catho...I don't think there is anything wrong in Catholic Voices being elitist...you could say the Jesuits were once the elitist apologists for the Church. I think that on all different levels various groups could get together and formalise their own approach to Catholic apologetics and evangelisation. <br /><br />There's room for all different types of groups. The more the merrier.louellahttp://catholic.state3@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-1488736683275602212010-10-28T14:32:55.942+01:002010-10-28T14:32:55.942+01:00Fr Ray
Those who seriously wish to become equipped...Fr Ray<br />Those who seriously wish to become equipped to engage in dialogue or debate may be interested in the new distance learning MA in Apologetics at the Maryvale Institute, starting in January 2011. The coursebooks have been written by among others Canon John Redford, Fr Marcus Holden, Fr Andrew Pinsent. I can highly recommend the programme!<br />More information here:<br />http://www.maryvale.ac.uk/index.php?id=507Mariannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12211663128173535773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-63850787921284491192010-10-28T13:11:00.549+01:002010-10-28T13:11:00.549+01:00Well put Fr Ray..Well put Fr Ray..Jackie Parkes MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16693505024823229152noreply@blogger.com