tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post3087356188403909446..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Two Way StreetFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90356239046218535502012-01-10T15:39:31.128+00:002012-01-10T15:39:31.128+00:00Father, Thanks for your patience. One thing I rea...Father, Thanks for your patience. One thing I really liked about this particular string of comments, and that is the wonderful stories of conversions and returns to the faith. Very uplifting, and not a little instructional. The 'Tablet' article (see Delia above) is well worth reading. I now have it on file. Remembrances in prayers for all concerned, yourself included.mikesviewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8758752670145795922012-01-09T23:50:38.347+00:002012-01-09T23:50:38.347+00:00Mikesview,
Yes, the Ordinariate is Catholic, fully...Mikesview,<br />Yes, the Ordinariate is Catholic, fully in communion with the Holy See.<br />At the moment they are using the Roman Missal, soon they will use there own liturgy based on pre-reformation Sarum books.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6607895793314457122012-01-09T23:01:27.589+00:002012-01-09T23:01:27.589+00:00Father, Thanks for that. Sorry to keep fussing on...Father, Thanks for that. Sorry to keep fussing on about this, but just to say that, of course a Catholic who becomes an Anglican apostatises, but what I actually asked about concerned the case of a Catholic joining an ordinariate. <br />Incidentally, can one fulfil one's Sunday Mass obligation at an Ordinariate ceremony?mikesviewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-87586993025401981402012-01-09T22:13:20.442+00:002012-01-09T22:13:20.442+00:00PS Those already Catholic cannot join the Ordinari...PS Those already Catholic cannot join the Ordinariate, unless they were formerly Anglicans, in which case they do the equivalent of "changing rites".Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7951257482711396532012-01-09T22:12:10.643+00:002012-01-09T22:12:10.643+00:00Malvenu
I recommend you read "Secrets of the ...Malvenu<br />I recommend you read "Secrets of the Rosary" by St. Louis de Montfort.mikesviewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86306209253932560262012-01-09T22:09:24.329+00:002012-01-09T22:09:24.329+00:00Mikesview,
I think you have misunderstood me.
Ang...Mikesview,<br />I think you have misunderstood me. <br />Anglicans who join the Ordinariate become Catholic - full stop!<br /><br />Catholics who become Anglicans, I mourn, because they apostatise.<br /><br />Catholics who have lost or misplaced Catholic faith, who dissent, who have undermined the Church from within and then leave, might possibly be being honest.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-45078476679488684982012-01-09T21:53:06.212+00:002012-01-09T21:53:06.212+00:00Father, I am confused (my default condition!). Yo...Father, I am confused (my default condition!). You mourn for the Catholics who embrace Anglicanism by going over to the Ordinariates. You regard that as a loss to the Catholic Church. I quite agree with that. However, it will not have escaped your notice that in several places in the current Catholic Herald, there are words and phrases such as "becoming Catholics" and "coming home".<br />So, it would appear that, if Anglicans/Episcopalians join an ordinariate, they BECOME Catholic, BUT if Catholics join it, they CEASE to be Catholic. <br />Yes, I've got it all wrong haven't I. Words of wisdom from you, please.mikesviewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80444576014247685082012-01-07T12:58:14.841+00:002012-01-07T12:58:14.841+00:00Whilst of course it is very sad when people leave ...Whilst of course it is very sad when people leave the Church, it is a bigger problem when they expect, or try to persuade, the Church to change to accommodate their sin.<br /><br />This seems to be most common in sexual sins - whether same-sex or second marriages.<br /><br />The attitude seems to be that "this is a major part of my life, therefore it can't be sinful, so it is the Church that needs to change, not me".<br /><br />These people have essentially already rejected the Church.<br /><br />Is it better to keep them in, constantly rejecting and fighting against the Church's teaching, or is it better that they accept that the Church teaches what it does, and leave?<br /><br />Might it be that acceptance and leaving gives a better hope of true reconciliation in the long term?Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39349356204644556562012-01-07T12:51:30.279+00:002012-01-07T12:51:30.279+00:00Supertradmum, I thought in the States most people ...Supertradmum, I thought in the States most people do choose hotdogs rather than steak.Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-4699619268819753132012-01-07T12:24:43.415+00:002012-01-07T12:24:43.415+00:00What I find sad about many of these comments is th...What I find sad about many of these comments is the polarity. The ambiguity of the Anglican church is manifestly a problem, but so is the Roman church's lack of respect for difference.<br /><br />600 Catholic priests leaving the Church in the USA for the Espicopalian church? This ought to concern us.scalambrahttp://scalambra.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-48075933694090404382012-01-07T00:11:25.423+00:002012-01-07T00:11:25.423+00:00Shadowlands and Matthew thank you for your comment...Shadowlands and Matthew thank you for your comments and, Matthew, for your prayer for me. Father, apologies for hijacking your post!<br /><br />Incidentally, Father Longenecker's post (which I had also coincidentally already read earlier today) reminds me of your comments to me once, Father, on the wondrous fact that there is human DNA in heaven. Now, it seems, that science provides a compelling "reason" for the necessity of the Assumption completely separate from theological "reasons." (I'm sure there's a better way of putting this!)<br /><br />Re: the Rosary, it seems to me that it is something you (converts) don't really get until you really get it and that with all things it is a case of perseverance (sometimes in spite of one's doubts whatever their origin.) I have had fruitful experiences both in meditating upon the mysteries and in answers to prayer, but despite this I still have difficulty praying the Rosary sometimes. It is good to know with this (and other things) that my experienced are shared by others and that i am on the right track, but it is always good to have the reassurance. Thank you.Malvenuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03400254883645309815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91953711819149997962012-01-06T23:32:44.438+00:002012-01-06T23:32:44.438+00:00Thanks Delia
I never thought that I would applaud...Thanks Delia<br /><br />I never thought that I would applaud a piece from the Tablet, but I suppose there's a first time for everythingjohnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-58273930515664589432012-01-06T21:16:51.514+00:002012-01-06T21:16:51.514+00:00It seems to me that Lumen Gentium (14) speaks for ...It seems to me that Lumen Gentium (14) speaks for itself.<br /><br />No ambiguities here!Jacobinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8927111308826958222012-01-06T18:20:32.765+00:002012-01-06T18:20:32.765+00:00There has been an article about this subject in Th...There has been an article about this subject in The Catholic Herald (online, I recollect a few weeks ago). I recollect that one of the comments on the article referred to some US research on moves from Roman Catholicism to other forms of Christianity. The research may have been reported in the National Catholic Reporter (no snide comments about that, please!)John Ross Martynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86935351316719667582012-01-06T18:08:45.776+00:002012-01-06T18:08:45.776+00:00Jean,
You want good news? There's tons! Top on...Jean,<br />You want good news? There's tons! Top on my list: Rick Santorum almost won Iowa State! Sure, he's not perfect, but he sure beats all the other Republican candidates. <br />Three of my friends entered religious life last year- within months of finishing high school. <br />I could go on and on...keep your spirits up!Fortiter Pugnemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15119033623838668443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-50463594188267254892012-01-06T17:59:44.519+00:002012-01-06T17:59:44.519+00:00I count myself as a Catholic whinger because tradi...I count myself as a Catholic whinger because traditional Catholic worship is so hard to find.<br /><br />I was in Salisbury last Sunday. St Osmond's Catholic church for mass and evensong in the Cathedral. The comparison reflects badly on us.<br /><br />Apart from St Mary Magdalens, the Oxford Oratory and a few churches in London, in the majority of Catholic parishes I have visited in England, the standard of the liturgy is dire.The usual offering is still a hymn sandwich of 1970s compositions. The Anglican liturgical tradition remains strong at least in the cathedrals.<br /><br />If we cannot do our worship in a properly dignfied manner and have almost disowned our ancient cultural heritage, it is understandable that some people will be drawn to the surface attractions of Anglicanism.<br /><br />Shame on us!Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28723056178313113532012-01-06T15:19:37.688+00:002012-01-06T15:19:37.688+00:00Malvenu,
If I may, allow me to chime in on your R...Malvenu,<br /><br />If I may, allow me to chime in on your Rosary question - I too am a recent convert from evangelical protestantism.<br /><br />Mary is the pinnacle of God's creation, she is the most perfect of all God's creatures. She was God's chosen vessel to bring Himself into the world to and for us. She was with Our Lord every step of His life on earth (even if not necessarily physical, she never betrayed Him nor distanced herself from Him, and she always knew who He really is). How fitting then, that we would approach Our Lord through Mary, since Our Lord "approached" us through Mary (cf. St. Louis de Montfort). Our Lady's maternal heart never refuses true supplication, and always lays our prayers at the feet of Her Divine Son, and He never refuses her.<br /><br />Deo gratias for your conversion, and may Mother Mary always guide you to Our Lord. I am heading to Adoration now and will say a Hail Mary there for you!Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59263988439771838872012-01-06T15:16:57.266+00:002012-01-06T15:16:57.266+00:00Malvenu
I too, used to have problems as to whethe...Malvenu<br /><br />I too, used to have problems as to whether or not the attention given to Mary was bordering on idolatory. Funnily enough I posted a comment on Father Longenecker's blogpost earlier today, regarding this<br /><br />(http://gkupsidedown.blogspot.com/2012/01/jesus-and-mary-mary-and-jesus.html).<br /><br /> I shall copy and paste it here for you. First let me say that my main reason for saying the rosary is the key is my own personal experience, backed up by Church teaching through the centuries. In the battle with sin I have never found such power in overcoming. It works if you pray it. I also view the rosary as actually being able to visit, with Our Lady and Jesus, the gospel scenes, as if I am actually there. This is not always my experience, but it is sometimes.<br /><br />I also find resistance in my will, by the way, which suprised me, I thought I would remain forever keen and grateful for this gift, yet I still find it difficult to pray, sometimes dreadfully difficult. Just for today, I keep on keeping on!<br /><br />Here is my comment from earlier on Fr L's blog:<br />"I was uneasy about forming a relationship with Our Lady, due to my youthful protestant experiences and indeed personal fears re false idols etc.<br /><br />In Jan 2007, I knelt down in my kitchen and prayed in a true born again, pentecostal form:<br /><br />"Lord Jesus and Father, if it is Your Will that I should become closer to Your Mother, then let this happen, Amen"<br /><br />Or words very similar anyway. The outcome was to be down to God's Will, that was the emphasis of the prayer.<br /><br />Careful what you pray for, when you really mean it, because God answers prayers like that very dramatically! My family's life was about to undergo a terrible trauma and the Lord knew I would need His Mother's assistance. I believe He prompted the prayer in my spirit. Well, scripture says He is the author and finisher of my faith (what does it say about everyone else's?)!!<br /><br />Praise the Lord, seek His Will and pray your rosaries!"<br /><br />Malvenu, I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me at iamshadowlands@yahoo.co.uk if you want anymore information from me.<br /><br />God Bless<br /><br />Rosshadowlandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00707611566091137431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-19139043055786999642012-01-06T14:52:24.736+00:002012-01-06T14:52:24.736+00:00Delia,
That is indeed well worth reading. Thanks....Delia,<br /><br />That is indeed well worth reading. Thanks.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-85563918075077579512012-01-06T14:16:35.031+00:002012-01-06T14:16:35.031+00:00@Shadowlands: I understand what you're saying....@Shadowlands: I understand what you're saying. God bless.Gigihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592406521067190359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-68113245400703354312012-01-06T13:31:25.820+00:002012-01-06T13:31:25.820+00:00It is very sad for those people who have left the ...It is very sad for those people who have left the Church, not least because their reasons for doing so are so transparently silly. However, these serve us both as cautionary tales and evidence (if we should need it) to reassure us that we Catholics do belong to the One, True Church and that we need to hold fast to it and 'finish the race', etc.<br /><br />Shadowlands: one question. I don't disagree with your assertion that the Rosary is the 'key', but i don't yet understand the 'how?' As a recent convert i trust implicitly all that the Church teaches and recommends, etc. but i must admit that sometimes while praying the Rosary i do still find myself wondering if i should be doing it. I would imagine that this is common for converts from (evangelical) Protestantism but some flesh on the bones of why you say the Rosary is the key would undoubtedly help. Thank youMalvenuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03400254883645309815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38069875147039784972012-01-06T13:15:36.551+00:002012-01-06T13:15:36.551+00:00Moving account in this week's free online Tabl...Moving account in this week's free online Tablet, of all places - maybe they read your Hubble, Bubble article! http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/162180Deliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383433319373651830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-88071070001632442392012-01-06T12:18:50.256+00:002012-01-06T12:18:50.256+00:00Mitchell said:
"Shadowlands,
No one wishes an...Mitchell said:<br />"Shadowlands,<br />No one wishes anyone to leave the Church but for all to enter it but we enter because in it we find the Truth."<br /><br />No-one? Well just a couple of comments above mine I read:<br /><br />"I only wish those very vocal dissenters of everything Catholic and the Pope would just leave and go swim the Thames or whichever church provides them what they want but the blighters just won't go."<br /><br />That sounded like an unfeeling good riddance wish to me.shadowlandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00707611566091137431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14879277676731943702012-01-06T12:06:31.653+00:002012-01-06T12:06:31.653+00:00Shadowlands,
No one wishes anyone to leave the Chu...Shadowlands,<br />No one wishes anyone to leave the Church but for all to enter it but we enter because in it we find the Truth.Mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24870936367793755762012-01-06T11:56:42.160+00:002012-01-06T11:56:42.160+00:00Yes it makes for sad reading. Not because we have ...Yes it makes for sad reading. Not because we have lost some members of the Catholic Church, but because these people have lost “the pearl of great price” and gone after the ephemeral, faux jewel.<br /><br />In reading the summaries Fr. Ryland lists, a few things stand out: bad example of parents and other Catholics, feelings, hard truths, subjectivism (it’s all about Me!), opposition to authority – not to mention the standard ones of Divorce, Celibacy, Humanae Vitae, women’s ordination and homosexuality.<br /><br />But the overriding sadness at these examples is that of a Faith lost. As Father notes, no one points to a person of deep faith saying that through prayer and study they came to the conclusion that the Episcopal/Anglican communion was the One, True, Church of Christ.<br /><br />Faith is a gift - to be treasured and nourished. It can be lost. Even one of The Twelve lost his.GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.com