tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post3273489183502270402..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Dinner with the BishopFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55220168544517860922013-01-16T00:20:47.846+00:002013-01-16T00:20:47.846+00:00Oh, my Professor. I am very pleased that I read th...Oh, my Professor. I am very pleased that I read this article and your discussions. We all have to learn from everyone, as long as there is love. "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life" ... the Lord said. You did it here in practice. May you always have love. Helen Lintzaropoulos, theologian. Ελένη Λιντζαροπούλουhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17023203992030455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90810349682515392242008-08-30T09:20:00.000+01:002008-08-30T09:20:00.000+01:00Cranky Prof,Isn't that simply another way of sayin...Cranky Prof,<BR/><BR/>Isn't that simply another way of saying the same thing? Whatever isn't Orthodox is excluded; whatever is Orthodox is the common patrimony, equally, of all Orthodox Christians. One doesn't, for example, join a special religious order with its own distinctive rule and spirituality, in order to practice Hesychasm (the most obvious example of what I think you're getting at). Hesychasm is for all the Orthodox, whoever or wherever they are. There is great interest today in the "spirituality" of Saints Silouan and Sophrony of Essex, and their disciple Archimandrite Zacharias - but St Silouan could equally have been a fourth-century desert Father, a fourteenth-century Athonite or a nineteenth-century Russian. He's Orthodox - that's what he is.<BR/><BR/>In any case, there is nothing in Orthodoxy equivalent to the remoteness of the Neocatechumenate from the Institute of Christ the King, or a modern Jesuit from a Benedictine of Le Barroux, or of this parish liturgy from that one.<BR/><BR/>The Glossary in the <I>Orthodox Study Bible</I> defines "Sprituality" as follows:<BR/><BR/><I>The ascetic and pious struggle against sin through Repentance, Prayer, Fasting and participation in the sacramental life of the Church</I><BR/><BR/> - Orthodoxy, in other words.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76425527585432113252008-08-29T22:07:00.000+01:002008-08-29T22:07:00.000+01:00You know, it's nice to think there are no schools ...You know, it's nice to think there are no schools or spiritualities in Orthodoxy, but in terms of history that's not true. They've had their schools and approaches, and run some of them out of the church as heresies and made others of them part of orthodoxy.TheCrankyProfessorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044204782286107779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90808009504746705022008-08-29T07:28:00.000+01:002008-08-29T07:28:00.000+01:00Dear FrancisDid you happen to discuss what Catholi...Dear Francis<BR/><BR/><I>Did you happen to discuss what Catholicism can learn from Orthodoxy?<BR/><BR/>I know what I would have answered: liturgy!</I><BR/><BR/>...is the wrong answer (IMO)! The Latin Church has a glorious liturgical Tradition of its own which has been marred successively by over-clericalisation, subsequent "democratisation" and continual bureaucratic tinkering. What you could learn from Orthodoxy therefore are the reasons underlying our relative freedom from all of that, which are essentially ecclesiolgical.<BR/><BR/>Transcendent liturgy is the incarnation of living Tradition; it's not (as a friend recently put it)a "halo surrounding a corpse".Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2570569945088724822008-08-29T00:45:00.000+01:002008-08-29T00:45:00.000+01:00Fr. Ray,"I asked him about what he felt Orthodoxy ...Fr. Ray,<BR/><BR/>"I asked him about what he felt Orthodoxy could learn from Catholicism, he said 'Unity'."<BR/><BR/>Did you happen to discuss what Catholicism can learn from Orthodoxy? <BR/><BR/>I know what I would have answered: liturgy!Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13769697942265014482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55010898685280798142008-08-28T18:12:00.000+01:002008-08-28T18:12:00.000+01:00I saw Bishop Kyrillos three weeks ago in Brighton,...I saw Bishop Kyrillos three weeks ago in Brighton, preaching very simply and humbly during a Liturgy he concelebrated as a simple priest. We didn't know he was a bishop until he came out to preach with his pectoral cross and his big hat with the veil. <BR/><BR/><I>When you meet a Catholic theologian you tend to ask which "school" they belong to, I mean Thomist, Augustinian, Rahnerian or Balthasarian. I asked him, his reply, "I am Orthodox". I find it refreshing talking to Orthodox theologians, who always start from basics, "God became man", it gives a vigour to their theology.</I><BR/><BR/>This is exactly right. There are no "schools" or "spiritualities" in Orthodoxy - it's all Orthodoxy: everything is the common patrimony of every bishop, layman, monk, hermit, saint and sinner. That's <B>real</B> unity, IMO; the rest is just administrative stuff. The theology always begins with <I>"Who do you say that I am?"</I>, in contrast with the classical "western" approach insofar as it follows the scholastic scheme of beginning with the One God, then the Trinity, then the Incarnation, then the Church, then the Last Things. <BR/><BR/>Orthodox theology always starts with Jesus, looking simultaneously backwards with the Apostles and the Fathers through the Old Testament (which now speaks always and everywhere of Jesus), and forward with the Apostles and the Fathers to the Last Things, from the perspective of the Mysteries and the living Tradition of the Apostolic Church. The "order" (taxis) of doing theology in Orthodoxy is always therefore that of the Apostles themselves, as opposed to reading subsequent definitions back into the <I>"Who do you say that I am?"</I><BR/><BR/>Pope Benedict is very highly regarded among many Orthodox, who recognise someone who seems really to understand us, being himself very deep in the Fathers (and not just the Latins).Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-33908644377553202972008-08-28T08:42:00.000+01:002008-08-28T08:42:00.000+01:00It sounds a most interesting dinner, I wish I had ...It sounds a most interesting dinner, I wish I had been there.<BR/><BR/>Despite the internal differences between Orthodox jurisdictions one would be hard pressed to find a bad or sickening liturgy in an Orthodox church whilst such traversties abound in Roman and Anglican ones.<BR/><BR/>The late Archbiship of Athens ordained some deaconesses a few years ago. I understand they wear their stoles crossed - someone suggested this symbolises that they cannot be ordained to a higher order.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-45917441212747102732008-08-27T15:11:00.000+01:002008-08-27T15:11:00.000+01:00Father, I am curious as to the Bishop's view of th...Father, <BR/><BR/>I am curious as to the Bishop's view of the ordination of women in the Orthodox Church. I am sure he is not opposed to deaconesses since the order was never repudiated but rather passed over to Nuns in some instances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com