tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post4112003354327302140..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Duty and MonarchyFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55967676198529852842011-05-10T00:04:20.653+01:002011-05-10T00:04:20.653+01:00The Church of England never was part of the Church...The Church of England never was part of the Church IN England.Edward P. Waltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02819348411129870835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12738126729630179192011-05-08T22:08:10.840+01:002011-05-08T22:08:10.840+01:00The alternative might be President Blair, Brown, K...The alternative might be President Blair, Brown, Kinnock,Mandelson,Patten,Beckham, etc.Independentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61238536660385371302011-05-03T10:26:56.088+01:002011-05-03T10:26:56.088+01:00To paraphrase John Adams: I have no King but Chris...To paraphrase John Adams: I have no King but Christ and no Queen but Mary.Crux Fidelishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03949811845963570447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80396066690114494822011-05-03T00:15:26.405+01:002011-05-03T00:15:26.405+01:00A very good post, Father.
But one thing was embar...A very good post, Father.<br /><br />But one thing was embarrassing, watching the wedding with friends. After the wedding, as the couple passed through the screen from the choir into the nave, there seemed to be two cardinals at the front row of the nave who - alone of all the congregation - started clapping.<br /><br />Is it really so long since some of our senior bishops attended a dignified church service, that they have forgotten how to behave?Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80629035240654063082011-05-02T11:30:42.515+01:002011-05-02T11:30:42.515+01:00@Physiocrat
With all due respect Britain hasn'...@Physiocrat<br /><br />With all due respect Britain hasn't actually tried the Republican experiement properly.<br /><br />we traded one obnoxious tyrant (charles 1) for another (cromwell) who wanted to be king and intimidated parliment into apointing him Lord Protector (king in all but name).<br /><br />But if the winsors don't mind taking a break from ruling for 10 years we can actually try it properly.Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-62591480899634040392011-05-02T00:09:28.526+01:002011-05-02T00:09:28.526+01:00England was a republic for a while. It didn't ...England was a republic for a while. It didn't work.<br /><br />The first requirement for any head of state is that they have never wanted the job. Which a monarchy pretty well guarantees.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86779901874206748722011-05-01T22:59:40.016+01:002011-05-01T22:59:40.016+01:00I agree with Red Maria and soon I hope to escape t...I agree with Red Maria and soon I hope to escape these dastardly isles for the USAJust another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69930267312644643392011-05-01T20:33:31.943+01:002011-05-01T20:33:31.943+01:00An important aspect of our monarchy is the sacrame...An important aspect of our monarchy is the sacramental consecration of the king or queen at his/her coronation, with holy oil and participation in the Eucharist. This must never be set aside in favour of some milk & water multi- (or non-) faith initiation ceremony.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06908070025869221948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-67367480039998485752011-05-01T09:13:39.098+01:002011-05-01T09:13:39.098+01:00So, "behind the carriages, jewels, hats and u...So, "behind the carriages, jewels, hats and uniforms are aching bunions, boredom or just a desire for cigarette or to burst out laughing; something very human, something very incarnational."<br />I totally agree with your sentiments here Father Ray. Those born into Royalty, anywhere, can either respond to a life of "duty" and accepts it's trappings; which often actually are just that; or they can rebel and decline the silver spoon and the large crystal fishbowl and be viewed as deserters. The situation for the Kate / Catherine Middletons of this world is somewhat different: little girls sometimes want to be princesses and sometimes Mummy and Daddy want that for them too. Sometimes the dream sours after the honeymoon, just as it does for parlour maids.<br />I thought your wedding post was too harsh and rather ranty; middle-aged at 28?? Wills can't help thinning on top; although Harry certainly could do something with that barnet, and I have no idea why he was dressed as the Governor General of Ruritania. The trees were dreadful. Kate / Catherine looked beautiful and her dress was perfectly modest and elegant. The couple looked shyly happy with one another exchanging their vows. Nothing, absolutley nothing, can be done about the Duke of Edinburgh now. All much of a muchness for a Royal Wedding.<br />I am neither a republican nor a monarchist. I don't really trouble with the Royal Family unless they trouble me. I fear they may trouble me with a hefty security tab for this non public funded occasion. I endorse the points raised by both Mike and EFpastor emeritus; and I object strongly that the monarch can decline to give evidence under oath.<br />At the end of the day, the Queen, God bless 'er, sets a fine example...of being a queen. We all have a duty to ourselves, to others and to God. Many of us "serve" in many different ways, whether that be to our families, in public srvice, through Holy Orders etc. I hope the Cambridges are in love and will be faithful and kind to each other. I pray they will stay together. But I still don't understand why those sentiments need to be conveyed by the Red Arrows.Gigihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592406521067190359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-34910451722156012372011-05-01T06:54:49.693+01:002011-05-01T06:54:49.693+01:00Father Ray, I like, in parts, your latest post on ...Father Ray, I like, in parts, your latest post on Duty and monarchy. There are other parts with which I would totally disagree. Republicanism would make you a British, or English citizen. At present you are merely a British or English subject".<br /><br />I like the notion of duty and service, but one may have that in an elected President! Especially if he has powers, such as in Ireland, to refer laws to the Supreme Court to test their constitutionality before signing them into law at the behest party politicians. <br /><br />Republicanism does make for equality of all before the law. I am not suggesting that equality is a virtue! I doubt that one could argue for equality before the law exists in England. Far too many have provisos requiring permission of Attorney General or Crown Prosecution Service before seeking redress.<br />I remember a case recently which failed because the Queen might have been called to give evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-35281951166943015482011-04-30T22:20:53.463+01:002011-04-30T22:20:53.463+01:00I hope I didn't upset you father. I just sense...I hope I didn't upset you father. I just sensed an apparent "hermeneutic" of republican sentiment in the previous posts and the comments that followed. Possibly becuase the viewpoint offered more usually (seems to me) to come from those who are republican (in the English sense) <br /><br />- I do think that the service yesterday was sublime and solemn and it is on such occasions that it seems especially sad that the C of E is no longer part of the Church, the pain of separation is apparent - and you can only feel sadness that their devout members are consequently deprived of some of the sacraments (as, in most cases, through no fault of their own, they have been taught that they are ficticious).Paul, Bedfordshirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86775989192917561772011-04-30T21:29:13.467+01:002011-04-30T21:29:13.467+01:00Just a small point of correction. There is no such...Just a small point of correction. There is no such thing as the English monarchy and there hasn’t been since 1707. On the day that the Treaty of Union took effect England ceased to be an independent state and became just a part of the United Kingdom. The last English monarch was Queen Anne. All monarchs since then have been British. Anytime you English want to reclaim your independence and become a separate state just let us know. One thing that I don’t understand about the English is that although they like to pretend that England still exists as a separate state and has its own monarchy they are not very keen on breaking up the United Kingdom. Correct me if I’m wrong on that but that’s the way it appears.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61646271520820863932011-04-30T21:23:44.525+01:002011-04-30T21:23:44.525+01:00I am not a republican!
I am :-)<i>I am not a republican!</i><br /><br />I am :-)Red Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858695355021361726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-10220494268870735382011-04-30T19:28:07.474+01:002011-04-30T19:28:07.474+01:00An advantage of monarchy is that the nation's ...An advantage of monarchy is that the nation's unqualified affections and loyalty can be given to a King who stands above politics in an hereditary office, while the politicians we elect can take all the criticism and contempt we can throw at them.Michael Petekhttp://www.crownofdavid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89078701028294975182011-04-30T18:37:36.838+01:002011-04-30T18:37:36.838+01:00It's arguable that Britain already IS a republ...It's arguable that Britain already IS a republic implicitly since the Glorious Revolution. In 18th century France the great liberal philosophes were notorious for their cultural cringe towards liberal Enlightenment England. French orthodox clergy also condemned Gallician and Jansenist clergy for their 'anglomania'. Montesquieu and Voltaire were rabid anglophiles who wrote books extolling Britain and its Constitution and became Freemasons in London. In many ways the French Revolution was just an attempt to transplant the British constitution onto France.shanehttp://lxoa.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com