tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post4623300871038610149..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Catholic Dissenters in the TimesFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-73377685362636253542012-08-16T13:31:07.662+01:002012-08-16T13:31:07.662+01:00Nicholas Fr Tim has an interesting post putting Cd...Nicholas Fr Tim has an interesting post putting Cdl Hume's words in context.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41217506394618424612012-08-16T13:03:48.189+01:002012-08-16T13:03:48.189+01:00Can anyone point me to where Cardinal Hume said wh...Can anyone point me to where Cardinal Hume said what he is quoted as saying and the criteria he suggested?<br /><br />I must say I am surprised that some allowed themselves to be associated with the names of others. To be seen as joining in the company of such as James Alison and Terry Weldon must surely be death to whatever reputation they themselves had.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6728395332705817932012-08-15T13:18:18.740+01:002012-08-15T13:18:18.740+01:00Tina Beattie teaches her `theology` to catholic st...Tina Beattie teaches her `theology` to catholic students at Roehampton. You know the place the bishops took the Pope to show him our wonderful catholic education system. They run a day for Gays every year. She is a dying breed of feminists. Just ignore them.John Kearneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074138642860577242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-17713576488638402662012-08-14T17:20:48.505+01:002012-08-14T17:20:48.505+01:00Has anyone ever seen any of these people together ...Has anyone ever seen any of these people together in the same room?<br /><br />Pétrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17539025631125425710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79063750417499238352012-08-14T15:43:54.014+01:002012-08-14T15:43:54.014+01:00These persons cannot be called theo-logicians for ...These persons cannot be called theo-logicians for the mere lack of logic. They cited Cardinal Hume that "love between two persons, whether of the same sex, or of a different sex, is to be treasured and respected." This may be true. But they did not present any analysis of what is meant by love here. There is, for example, no evidence that Cardinal Hume could indeed posit that sexual realtionships (which are involved in marriage), real or imagined, between persons of the same sex should be treated equally. But there is an ample evidence from the Scripture and numerous Church documents for the contrary.<br /><br />Other arguments include Hume's (1) "are there reasonable grounds for judging that the institution of marriage and the family could, and would be undermined by a change in law?" But the answer is certainly "Yes," as the re-definition of marriage will threaten the family (unless "family" is also re-defined).<br /><br />(2) "Would society’s rejection of a proposed change be more harmful to the common good than the acceptance of such a change?" Rejection will certainly not involve any harm. Especially because there is already a similar institution of civil partnership providing legal rights to such "couples."<br /><br />(3) "Does a person’s sexual orientation or activity constitute, in specific circumstances, a sufficient reason for treating that person in any way differently from other citizens?" here the answer is "No." First, because persons wishing to get legal rights do already have all the rights with the civil partnership scheme.<br /><br />Sorry, I do not see any logic or "evidence-based reasoning" in this letter. Only arbitrary statements without any serious grounds or analysis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36645927998278909302012-08-14T06:27:57.592+01:002012-08-14T06:27:57.592+01:00I understand that several of those people write fo...I understand that several of those people write for "The Capsule" which might be better known as a public convenience, hence the smell of verbal diarrhoeiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69903585050308045742012-08-13T22:21:15.968+01:002012-08-13T22:21:15.968+01:00You can find all the priest signatories on Google ...You can find all the priest signatories on Google and a right self-justifying shower they are.<br /> Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-68426288399405746052012-08-13T22:20:51.451+01:002012-08-13T22:20:51.451+01:00Many are well known liberal Catholics so there isn...Many are well known liberal Catholics so there isn't anything very surprising about their views. Oh look there are some liberals saying liberal things. Hardly earth shattering. What surprises me is that people bother to write these sorts of letters to The Times anymore. I thought it long ago ceased to be our newspaper of record.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31083835604584919142012-08-13T21:50:03.924+01:002012-08-13T21:50:03.924+01:00Querido Padre,
Simply put, they do not kmow the F...Querido Padre,<br /><br />Simply put, they do not kmow the Faith.<br /><br />Does anyone?<br /><br />I interviewed Miss Paula Haigh an American Theologian.<br /><br />At youtube, in the search bar, type in Paula Haigh.<br /><br />For your consideration.<br /><br /><br />*Pablo the Mexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09384415590309803327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23303641595268665452012-08-13T21:43:07.872+01:002012-08-13T21:43:07.872+01:00Fr.,
In a sense this has more to do with the Engl...Fr.,<br /><br />In a sense this has more to do with the English language than with religion. A "perfectly round plane figure" is a circle and can never be an "equilateral rectangle", a square, even if the law says otherwise.<br /><br />Equally, a contractual legal arrangement between two people of the same sex is just that, and is not, and can never be, a marriage, however much the law makes an ass of itself.<br /><br />By the way their statement is dissent, and in so far as it is obstinately followed, is heretical. The seven priests should be sacked. True there is a shortage of priests but we would be better off without them. As for the "theologians", well we can all claim to be that nowadays, if we do a correspondence course or two!<br /><br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15143406558375492892012-08-13T21:21:16.115+01:002012-08-13T21:21:16.115+01:00Nothing unexpected here - liberals don't agree...Nothing unexpected here - liberals don't agree with Pope shock, horror! Next page, scoop - Pope revealed to be Catholic - see p. 5 for exclusive on bears and their habits in woods.<br /><br />Nothing odd in Murdoch encouraging it, though I thought he was a Papal Knight?Jessica Hoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336601507234428836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8603484722350364942012-08-13T21:08:00.293+01:002012-08-13T21:08:00.293+01:00They've scraped the barrel for the usual suspe...They've scraped the barrel for the usual suspects here!<br /><br />Has anyone else noticed that all of the dissenting Catholic organisations that keep springing up (StandUp4Vatican2, We Are Church, etc ad nauseam) all seem to be composed of the same individuals?The Raven (C. Corax)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08605347404726608685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-40497009555841585422012-08-13T21:07:32.760+01:002012-08-13T21:07:32.760+01:00The usual suspects. At least we know them now for ...The usual suspects. At least we know them now for what they are and stand for.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-83038818140281316512012-08-13T20:55:46.165+01:002012-08-13T20:55:46.165+01:00Ttony it is August.Ttony it is August.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-40949240350117397012012-08-13T20:39:47.425+01:002012-08-13T20:39:47.425+01:00What a shame we can't just chuck 'em on th...What a shame we can't just chuck 'em on the barbie.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412418782531527758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31912009994670919922012-08-13T20:38:17.101+01:002012-08-13T20:38:17.101+01:00Actually, Father, there might be a bit of good new...Actually, Father, there might be a bit of good news here. You can think of a few names which might have been on this list who aren't. It may be that they weren't asked, but any list which includes Tina Beattie is a statement about the group associating with her.<br /><br />As I say, at best only a bit of good news, but even after a disastrous flood, the water level begins to recede.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52114589312787822532012-08-13T20:23:31.394+01:002012-08-13T20:23:31.394+01:00At least one of the priests listed already regards...At least one of the priests listed already regards himself as being married to a man so he hasn't waited for any 'debate' to happen.Lepantohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487748842744745860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3131873405170703682012-08-13T19:48:01.984+01:002012-08-13T19:48:01.984+01:00If you look up the names that claim to be priests ...If you look up the names that claim to be priests in the Catholic Directory, you will find that a number of them are not listed. The most likely explanation is that they are ordained priests who have been suspended from theit priestly state.Et Expectohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04273064434098923960noreply@blogger.com