tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post4818674785846768858..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: British Heresy Trial ~ Coming Soon!Fr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89756019485085558182010-10-23T12:01:48.368+01:002010-10-23T12:01:48.368+01:00"Basil said...How sad.
An ordinary PP ha..."Basil said...How sad.<br /><br /> An ordinary PP has such an inflated view of his own importance and abilities that he describes others as heretics.<br /><br /> This is a perfect example of the poisonous fruits Summorum Pontificum is producing with its divisive and fundamentally flawed agenda.<br /><br /> Let us hope Mgr. Loftus proceeds by contacting Bishop Kieran and the Congregation for the Clergy and a proper canonical invesigation is carried out. He should also consider legal proceedings against Ray Blake."<br /><br />How wrong... - pointing out views proximate to heretical or heretical is a duty of every good priest who cares about salvation of souls. How easy it is to deceive and be deceived if no one dare to say a word. It is all about salvation, and it is most important than anything else. Bravo Fr Blake and others, do not be afraid. And by the way, I have also stopped to support Catholic newspapers because of some columnists and their deceiving writings.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09019463202735275839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-81514669594685027322010-10-20T02:50:36.793+01:002010-10-20T02:50:36.793+01:00We support you Father. I think it would be pretty ...We support you Father. I think it would be pretty cool to have a heresy trial. Keep blogging and don't be afraid of the dissenters! (I can say dissenter, can't I? It's kind of like that other word...)Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-49009722641640786152010-10-20T00:42:23.912+01:002010-10-20T00:42:23.912+01:00"Whatever the issues between you two, it shou..."Whatever the issues between you two, it should not have been played out in the public forum. Retired though he maybe, Mgr. Basil Loftus is a cleric,and he should be afforded respect."<br /><br />Galgani, it is a shame that Mgr. Loftus has omitted to show such respect for Fr. Clifton - even to the extent of refusing to accept his (Fr. Clifton's) apology.Mulier Fortishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-47849456336821479772010-10-18T19:33:05.866+01:002010-10-18T19:33:05.866+01:00Galgani,
With the threats of suings, I think that ...Galgani,<br />With the threats of suings, I think that it is best nothing at all is deleted.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-32892339054497527732010-10-18T18:22:23.422+01:002010-10-18T18:22:23.422+01:00Free speech is all well and good. However, In the ...Free speech is all well and good. However, In the spirit of charity Fr. Ray I think you should remove posts that are disrespectful. Especially the ones that refer to Mgr. Loftus as an 'old fool' and others that refer to him as 'Lofty.'and portray him as a figure of fun.<br /> Whatever the issues between you two, it should not have been played out in the public forum. Retired though he maybe, Mgr. Basil Loftus is a cleric,and he should be afforded respect.<br />To rob him of that respect by publishing these posts on your blog where he has little opportunity to defend himself, is a poor reflection of what our priesthood has become.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52308052764516586812010-10-10T00:38:28.477+01:002010-10-10T00:38:28.477+01:00Clare,
Others have got through, are you using the ...Clare,<br />Others have got through, are you using the correct address?Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-61746148229669369032010-10-09T20:54:49.582+01:002010-10-09T20:54:49.582+01:00I re-sent the e-mail a little while ago, Father.I re-sent the e-mail a little while ago, Father.Clarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01816805053033429861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69036652555412342212010-10-09T14:48:06.090+01:002010-10-09T14:48:06.090+01:00Fr Ray, I tried to send you an e-mail about this t...Fr Ray, I tried to send you an e-mail about this the other day, but it came back to me as unable to send. Is your e-mail working?<br />Clare.Clarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01816805053033429861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-72433758440870243872010-10-08T22:22:32.408+01:002010-10-08T22:22:32.408+01:00Dear Rev Fr Blake,
Thank God we have still such g...Dear Rev Fr Blake,<br />Thank God we have still such good Catholic and Othodox Priests as your Good Self! I am sure The Lord, Our Lady, St Joseph, St Pius X, St John Vianney, St Bede, Your Own Gaurdian Angel and the Whole Court of Heaven must be proud of you This Day! Do not worry yourself about these Modernist Priests who are here today and gone tomorrow, They are a complete waste of space also!<br /><br />Michael.<br />(Jarra Lad)michael addisonhttp://michaelbedeaddison@yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41683856947231643322010-10-08T20:25:31.455+01:002010-10-08T20:25:31.455+01:00Please Father can we set up a fund to take on this...Please Father can we set up a fund to take on this priest in the event of legal action? If the Bishops refuse to do anything about him then perhaps we can.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31584905427701797692010-10-08T20:16:28.218+01:002010-10-08T20:16:28.218+01:00The incident reveals that Mgr Loftus is spending h...The incident reveals that Mgr Loftus is spending his time in retirement reading Catholic blogs. I would have thought this to be a miserable experience for someone of his age and predisposition. <br /><br />Very strange.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6232467962887838932010-10-08T18:10:54.108+01:002010-10-08T18:10:54.108+01:00Why is the old fool whinging, he put his damn sill...Why is the old fool whinging, he put his damn silly views in the public forum - why should he be surprised people object so strongly?<br /><br /><br />Rather than complain to the CT's editor, Loftus' mate, we should write to the Trustees: anyone know who they are?Zach Talbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80153486708969467702010-10-08T16:26:08.295+01:002010-10-08T16:26:08.295+01:00Dear Fr Blake. I stand with you and the Catholic C...Dear Fr Blake. I stand with you and the Catholic Church. in Domino.Zephyrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179350648709554049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79073639724634538912010-10-08T13:20:39.207+01:002010-10-08T13:20:39.207+01:00I look forward to it, Father. Communio in starbuc...I look forward to it, Father. <i>Communio in starbucks!</i>Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80774363540714176032010-10-08T10:59:00.718+01:002010-10-08T10:59:00.718+01:00Reverend and Dear Father Blake,
A note from Johna...Reverend and Dear Father Blake,<br /><br />A note from Johnannesburg, South Africa to inform you of my steadfast support and affiliation to your cause. In Honesty, I read the comments posted here and came to the one which directly impunes the Holy Father's moto proprio, 'Summorum Pontificum' as being Poisionous - <br /><br />I am glad we can suffer for Truth's sake. Just yesterday I stated on Facebook and quite proudly so that the belief's held by a particular indevidul are heretical top say the least.<br /><br />I am a proud Catholic! I stand next to you, let them bring it on! <br /><br /><br />Thank you for being an example to us youth of what it is to be a priest.<br /><br />I pray that you may be assisted and supported in this fight for the Truth of our Faith, by the intercession of St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher who suffered much like you are now.<br /><br />In Christ and our Good Mother<br /><br />Calvin James Montgomery<br />Johannesburg<br />South AfricaOrthodoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06074136614852860373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-18209372011299589072010-10-08T07:30:02.146+01:002010-10-08T07:30:02.146+01:00Moretben,
A much loved old schismatic: we nust hav...Moretben,<br />A much loved old schismatic: we nust have coffee sometime soon.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79238295126576463942010-10-08T06:01:45.012+01:002010-10-08T06:01:45.012+01:00Dear me, Father! "Offense inflation" ind...Dear me, Father! "Offense inflation" indeed! The intent of my earlier post was teasing and affectionate. I apologise to anyone who did take genuine offense. Whatever the views of the "less charitable" (and yes, I'm very familiar with them by now), according to your own canons, I'm nothing "worse" than "schismatic"; whereas, as you know, Orthodoxy regards Roman Catholicism as essentially and intrinsically heretical. That's why the attainment of "unity" is not the simple matter most RC's suppose. I'm sorry if that's news to anyone: it's hundreds of years old, and there's no point in getting steamed up about it. <br /><br />We're all far too free with the "H" word, probably. A heretic is somebody who hatches, or latches onto, a novel theory or narrative, insists that it's the Tradition, and then divides the Church over it. That's the context within which to view such assertions as (for example) the Church having been functionally monophysite since the Council of Nicaea.<br /><br />To Patrick Lennon - yes, the Tradosphere quite often resembles a grace-free zone; however there is a particular piquancy to liberal hypocrisy - a level of self-unawareness that really takes the breath away. Mgr Loftus's oeuvre is vintage stuff in this respect. Down with clericalism! Up with the sensus fidelium! - which is, in case you're wondering, wherever our elite clerical cadre says it is, and we'll sue the a**e off whoever says otherwise. Oh, my sides...Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15479058578761272732010-10-08T00:16:08.630+01:002010-10-08T00:16:08.630+01:00Moretben, I think we would all accuse you of being...Moretben, I think we would all accuse you of being not only a heretic but schismatic and the less charitable, even worst.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-88311192283472332462010-10-08T00:07:51.633+01:002010-10-08T00:07:51.633+01:00Feelings mutual MoretbenFeelings mutual MoretbenAntonionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55008136705545491042010-10-07T20:14:09.372+01:002010-10-07T20:14:09.372+01:00Of course, from my point of view, you're ALL h...Of course, from my point of view, you're ALL heretics. So sue me. :o)Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11733558381407936242010-10-07T19:08:27.062+01:002010-10-07T19:08:27.062+01:00Brian Stevens,
I will not publish any of your comm...Brian Stevens,<br />I will not publish any of your comments, they are ravings and should be addressed to the person concerned.<br />The sentence structure, vocabulary etc seems similar to nonsense I have read in the Catholic Times over the last couple of days!Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79579706948531407842010-10-07T17:59:22.891+01:002010-10-07T17:59:22.891+01:00@Pelerin - Mgr Loftus occasionally does supply in ...@Pelerin - Mgr Loftus occasionally does supply in various parishes through-out the U.K. I have had the “Pleasure” of attending one of his Masses in my parish (I am being intentionally vague as I don’t fancy a lawsuit) and having heard the odd sermon and seen the occasional rubric actually being followed, had Fr. Ray actually suggested what he is incorrectly accused of saying, he wouldn’t be far wrong.<br /><br />@Fr. Ray - Should you need a defence fund at all Fr. , or a material witness for that matter, I would gladly sign up!Diffalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78834236217108701272010-10-07T17:00:36.863+01:002010-10-07T17:00:36.863+01:00Brian Stevens,
I have removed your previous commen...Brian Stevens,<br />I have removed your previous comment regarding Mr England and will not publish anymore of your comments.<br />They have nothing to do with this post.<br />They belong on his blog not mine, be kind enough to address them to him there.<br />I am not a regular reader of his blog, your accusations seem so outlandish he might want to contact his legal adviser, so do leave your correct name and an address.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-60135418366830003012010-10-07T14:49:32.920+01:002010-10-07T14:49:32.920+01:00Brian Stevens,
I think that Mgr Loftus might objec...Brian Stevens,<br />I think that Mgr Loftus might object to one of your comments strongly, it takes expressions commonly regarded as expressing weakness and turns them into something else.<br />You other comment I suspect was meant for another blog.<br /><br />....<br /><br />PLEASE can we use the man's correct name!Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-31725086839456569352010-10-07T14:32:28.170+01:002010-10-07T14:32:28.170+01:00a] Lofty stated the mass was a re-enactment [of th...a] Lofty stated the mass was a re-enactment [of the sacrifice on calvary]. There is but one sacrifice in which we participate at the consecration - we return to calvary and participate in ONE sacrifice.[Diachronicity of Grace - otherwise how could Lofty explain the Real Presence at the Last Supper?]<br />Lofty's 're-enactment' is a protestant heresy.<br /><br />b] Lofty , by default and omission axiomatically compels us to conclude that the laity con-celebrate as a collective within the mass and perform the consecration on an ontological level with the Priest. That is heresy !<br /><br />Now nobody is calling Lofty a heretic - that's the job of Holy Mother Church - but a priest is most definitely obliged to defend and uphold the teaching authority of his Ordinary AND his normative ordinary, His Holiness by denouncing heresy and countering it with orthodox magisterial teaching on the issue.<br /><br />Not only that - EVERY Catholic is canonically obliged through their baptismal mandate to acknowledge and counter heresy.<br /><br />Lofty states he's being defamed.<br /><br />Yet through Lofty's article the Holy Spirit is being defamed; together with the ontologically unique sacerdotal priesthood and the grace within its sacramental nature. <br /><br />Father : It really is out of your hands now - the teaching authority of your Ordinary and His Holiness are being impugned.<br /><br />If Lofty wants a canonical tribunal and thinks justice can be thwarted by sympathetic ears within it ; might he be reminded that it's not merely Bishop Conry's teaching authority [via your illustrious self] being brought into question - it's also the teaching authority of your normative Ordinary: i.e. His Holiness !<br /><br />Could you envisage a second British Papal visit with His Holiness as a defence witness?<br /><br />It really is a question of 'Bring it on' . It's not merely freedom of speech , if you're now silenced by court injunction this becomes very, very big ; shall we book tickets for the Old Bailey? Who likes salty and who likes sweet popcorn?On the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.com