tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post5487248100600871863..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Faith and ReasonFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-75399271515531607732012-11-29T16:23:55.390+00:002012-11-29T16:23:55.390+00:00It's not by reason alone; I'd say the beli...It's not by reason alone; I'd say the belief in Jesus' divinity comes through personal encounter with him. <br /><br />Perhaps I overemphasize reason, but for a time I rejected Christianity because I perceived it as being irrational, by which I mean rejecting reason. So I make a hard distinction between the terms irrational and super-rational; and agree that the encounter with the supernatural is necessary in any sort of real faith.carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11331034984608859225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-91761632809721517632012-11-28T14:31:42.610+00:002012-11-28T14:31:42.610+00:00when someone is declared a saint because reason&#...when someone is declared a saint because reason's investigation into the, reduced to two now?, miracles cannot be reasoned away, supernatural intervention is the answer. 2000 years of Tradition based on trusting in what the world ridicules is supernatural Faith that includes but is far greater than mere reason which seems to have its generational peers - that is what's reasonable changes but Truth - before Abraham was, I Am.<br /><br />p.s. if Truth doesn't change and the Church is the keeper of Truth in the world, should the Church not always be the proverbial unstoppable force/immovable object - i.e. something that impacts the rest rather than having the rest influence It?<br /><br />the father of lies could co-opt reason but never Truth.<br /><br /><br /><br />Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-39961990015464028502012-11-28T12:37:57.635+00:002012-11-28T12:37:57.635+00:00Carl, You must explain how one comes to a belief i...Carl, You must explain how one comes to a belief in Jesus being God by reason alone.<br /><br />What JPII stresses is that faith is "reasonable", not that reason is a substitute for faith. Ultimately one must a leap, "into the dark" or into the light however you choose to describe it but there has to be moment or process of taking on the supernatural.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-71071700581842683802012-11-27T22:39:09.795+00:002012-11-27T22:39:09.795+00:00I guess I would disagree that faith requires a lea...I guess I would disagree that faith requires a leap into the dark. I would reiterate that the reason compatible with faith isn't empiricism, but it is reason nonetheless. <br /><br />And I don't intend to be removing the gift and the supernatural. Do my words seem as though I am?carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11331034984608859225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-12217803470217482152012-11-27T19:22:31.479+00:002012-11-27T19:22:31.479+00:00What I am trying to say is that without a leap int...What I am trying to say is that without a leap into the dark faith is incomprehsible and appears irrational, but then so is Atheism and Scientificism.<br /><br /><br />It is reasonable to believe and from believing to make reasoned judgements and understandings, which is what JPII seems to be saying (I must admit I have difficulty with his particular school of Polish philosophy) but ultimately faith is a leap beyond reason. It is always going to be "folly to the Greeks", and a Supernatural gift.<br /><br />To remove both gift and the supernatural leaves us with pure notionalism.<br /><br />Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-24004930143926285042012-11-27T18:23:55.023+00:002012-11-27T18:23:55.023+00:00Your characterization of faith as "irrational...Your characterization of faith as "irrational" seems to fly in the face of Fides et Ratio and any tradition of reasoned inquiry into theology. It is rather more Kierkegaardian than anything with which I'm comfortable adhering to. God created us with the faculty of reason, and we should use it, and never contradict it. While faith may be super-rational, I would not go so far as to call it irrational.carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11331034984608859225noreply@blogger.com