tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post6326088236072736625..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Je suis non CharlieFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55846112515318321702015-01-31T09:40:04.279+00:002015-01-31T09:40:04.279+00:00"Nothing can justify the killing of innocence..."Nothing can justify the killing of innocence" I agree but under no circumstances can 'Charlie' be deemed 'innocent' geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-78928883101724192912015-01-16T07:55:14.542+00:002015-01-16T07:55:14.542+00:00Sadly, it was reported that the staff of CH mocked...Sadly, it was reported that the staff of CH mocked that the Notre Dame bells had been tolled. An unwise gesture was a wasted gesture.Jeremiah Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344139605953558862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52650480203716407322015-01-15T11:22:07.413+00:002015-01-15T11:22:07.413+00:00Charlie Hebdo is not part of freedom of speech. Th...Charlie Hebdo is not part of freedom of speech. There are rules to be followed in public discourse. Whoever would lead someone to faith (or any position) needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death..." This also concerns any position or opinion. Both Islam and Charlie Hebdo violate the respect with which public argument and debate should have in order to "convince a reasonable soul". Humour is based upon reality. Yet it ceases to be humour once it lies or mocks so as to misrepresent. It is no longer funny.<br />Charle Hebdo and Islam are unreasonable as both rely upon terror of different sorts. One of violent sarcasm, the other of violence.John Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705606458418222924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-2693289916301621122015-01-14T18:30:48.798+00:002015-01-14T18:30:48.798+00:00@Jim Mitchell.
What good does mocking Islam do? ...@Jim Mitchell.<br /><br />What good does mocking Islam do? There was an excellent Panorama program on the BBC on Monday night. Several moderate Muslims were interviewed and they all said the danger was the growth of a NON-VIOLENT extremist version of Islam which was spreading in the UK. Another label was Puritanical Islamism. In the words of one this is taking Muslims by the hand and leading them right up to the front door. Such as ISIS then open that front door and take them into violent extremism.<br /><br />Sara Khan of Inspire and Adam Deen of the Deen Institute, amongst others who spoke on the programme, are just two Muslims who have a profound understanding of what what is happening in the Muslim community, the dangers of this non-violent version of Islam and how Islam needs to be reformed. Understanding what is going on is a key to solving the problems.<br />Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-16509252583439546332015-01-14T17:13:37.424+00:002015-01-14T17:13:37.424+00:00Thomas mentions that the bells of Notre Dame tolle...Thomas mentions that the bells of Notre Dame tolled for the journalists who died. And I have just read that one of the French Bishops asked all the churches in his diocese to do the same.<br /><br /> It does seem rather ironic especially when a commenter has written that a few years ago he asked if bells could be tolled on Holy Innocents day in memory of all babies aborted and his request was refused. Could be a different Bishop but it makes you think.Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52823456028102278482015-01-14T17:09:36.484+00:002015-01-14T17:09:36.484+00:00We won't convert anyone with mockery and vulga...We won't convert anyone with mockery and vulgarity. St. Peter admonished us to be always ready to give reasons for the hope that is within us, but always to do so with charity and courtesy. We can argue clearly, witness strongly, criticise false reasoning, oppose untruth and expose error, but if we descend to using the enemy's tactics we merely do the enemy's work by degrading our own dignity and alienating potential converts. Actually, another Charlie Ebdo editor said today that the magazine was about to go out of business due to rapidly falling circulation and financial failure, but these events have brought it back from the brink. That's what has been achieved by these evil men. The enemy is a very clever chess player, we must not be drawn into his game. Faith, hope and charity are our weapons; and the greatest of these is charity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-81626736652374835912015-01-14T15:32:49.503+00:002015-01-14T15:32:49.503+00:00Our society is saturated with blasphemous mockery ...Our society is saturated with blasphemous mockery of true religion. But Charlie Hebdo, unlike other radical secularist publications, added to this the mockery of the false and vulgar religion of Muhammadanism which ought to be mocked. That alone is heroic and a move in the right direction.Jim Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136787516400747283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8650338771827346152015-01-14T15:23:48.756+00:002015-01-14T15:23:48.756+00:00The Catholic Church has converted millions of Musl...The Catholic Church has converted millions of Muslims throughout its history. The Catholic faith is the only set of principles which has made headway against Islam. Now that the Church has joined the boy scouts by abandoning most of its teachings and peddling bogus notions of ecumenism, human rights and freedom of speech, how the Muslims must laugh at us! Islam requires conversion, not slaughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-68822933501656602352015-01-13T19:07:47.463+00:002015-01-13T19:07:47.463+00:00One of the Charlie Ebdo journalists said on Radio ...One of the Charlie Ebdo journalists said on Radio 4 tonight that they found it hilarious and laughed out loud in mockery at the news that the bells of Notre Dame were rung in honour of their colleagues who had been killed. They said that anyone who wears a "Je suis Charlie" badge is agreeing with radical secularism because that is what the magazine stands for and will continue to campaign for. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36500138149049369732015-01-13T06:01:11.391+00:002015-01-13T06:01:11.391+00:00@Liam Ronan
Thank you Liam for the warning. I ch...@Liam Ronan<br /><br />Thank you Liam for the warning. I checked the link and found no problems and have great confidence in my AV protection systems, none is 100% perfect, unless you can afford Sophos perhaps.<br /><br />Here is the content for those who fear to tread :<br /><br />Born on 26/08/1973 (format : day/month/year)<br /><br />Biography :<br /><br />Jeannette Bougrab born August 26, 1973, is French and of Algerian origin. Trained as a jurist, she was in charge of the Halde, high authority for the fight against racial inequality, where she succeeded Louis Schweitzer, the ex-president of Renault.<br />On 14 November, she was named secretary of State in the new goverment in France under prime Minister François Fillon.<br />She comes from a gaulist background, her spiritual godfather being the famous gaulist Pierre Mazaud who had her join the executive council for integration under the UMP when Alain Juppé was the President of the UMP and was given the task of reflecting on the problem of discrimination and employment.<br />With a Phd in law, ex militant with SOS Racisme, Jeannette Bougrab became national secretary of the UMP in charge of new membership in 2004.<br /><br />BTW,<br />“The link mentions 'african success'. Just sayin'”. The overwhelming proportion of Africans are good people and a huge proportion of them suffer daily because of the evil corruption of their leaders, it’s hard to think of an exception. Anyone who knows Africa well will confirm this statement. Ordinary African people value education very highly, but it is so often far out of their reach, which is one reason I have not attempted to correct the above extract, almost certainly written by someone with English as a 2nd or even 3rd language.<br /><br />And let us remember those good, brave fully Catholic bishops who saved the recent meetings in Rome from a shameful fiasco. They were mainly Africans.<br /><br />Just saying.<br /><br />And “Consolamini”, I hope you got a kick out of your posting. Maybe no-one is above criticism, but that, well, it’s an abuse of “Freedom of Speech” AFAIAC. Shame on you.Jeremiah Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344139605953558862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6998243311945332052015-01-13T00:27:00.999+00:002015-01-13T00:27:00.999+00:00PS I was amused at Fr Hunwicke's comment of &#...PS I was amused at Fr Hunwicke's comment of 'hysterical claptrap.' I think it went too far when all the various French tv channels' newsreaders have been wearing black ties or black dresses and some the 'Je suis Charlie' badges. Some channels even had a black band in the corner.<br /><br />I lost count of how many shrines have been made in the area with candles and flowers, drawings and slogans piled high on the pavements. Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-642524624482174072015-01-12T23:59:20.950+00:002015-01-12T23:59:20.950+00:00These are the first comments I have read from the ...These are the first comments I have read from the English side as I have just returned from Paris and I have found them interesting.<br /><br />Yes, Charlie Hebdo has published many disgusting cartoons lampooning Christ, the Popes, French Cardinals and priests in general. (No I have never read it but you can't help noticing the covers in the newsagents there particularly when Pope Benedict visited Paris and Lourdes in 2008)<br /><br />However, this is actually nothing new as France has a history of lampooning the Church - at the time of the separation of Church and state over 100 years ago many postcards were produced in a similar vein as the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo. Priests, nuns and the Pope of the time were regarded as 'fair game' and as such cards are not rare it is presumed that they were produced in large numbers.<br /><br />Last weekend was quite surreal but the heightened security in force did help life to be carried on as normal even if people were obviously preoccupied. I even had my bag searched before entering Notre Dame for Mass though as it was dark and the young man did it by torchlight I didn't think it was very thorough.<br /><br />We were read a letter from Cardinal 23 and asked to pray for not only those who had died - by then 17 people had been killed including a young policewoman - but also for the terrorists and their families. In the newsletter of Notre Dame was printed a message from Pope Francis and another from a multi-religion organisation both deploring the deaths.<br /><br />It was impossible for me to ignore the march as I was staying 5 minutes away from the Place de la Republique and unknown to me up to this week a short walk away from the offices of Charlie Hebdo which for obvious reasons were unmarked. I went to the enormous square just as the last of the marchers were leaving and the Place was given over mainly to young people waving tricoleurs from the top of the statue and chanting the Marseillaise. The statue represents Freedom for the French including freedom of the Press and the deaths of the journalists and cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo because of what they have drawn has been regarded as an attack on this Freedom. This is what the people were marching for.<br /><br />Incidentally the Heads of State only walked 300 yards before being ferried away and the pavements were cleared of any onlookers long before their arrival. They did not actually march with the people! Snipers were on the roofs and the last time I saw so many police in one place was in Lourdes during Pope Benedict's visit.<br /><br />Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65034260374837855102015-01-12T22:32:59.384+00:002015-01-12T22:32:59.384+00:00It seems that the next issue of Charlie Hebdo is t...It seems that the next issue of Charlie Hebdo is to feature a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed. <br /><br />Some people never learn.<br /><br />Non sum Carolum.Richard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76018044583530224912015-01-12T20:10:43.309+00:002015-01-12T20:10:43.309+00:00Never mind what the correct French is: we should a...Never mind what the correct French is: we should all be using Latin. Non sum Carolus - or perhaps Carolulus for the diminutive.Eccleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00357168852208499013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-10521738792692914922015-01-12T19:28:27.419+00:002015-01-12T19:28:27.419+00:00Consolamini, Gosh! It is it?
Consolamini, Gosh! It is it?<br /><br /><br /> <br />Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59831406173352347512015-01-12T18:28:49.677+00:002015-01-12T18:28:49.677+00:00I believe it is je ne suis pas Charlie I hope ...I believe it is je ne suis pas Charlie I hope your Latin is better than your FrenchConsolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-28992425079368209642015-01-12T16:47:44.055+00:002015-01-12T16:47:44.055+00:00The reparatory devotions of the First Friday to th...The reparatory devotions of the First Friday to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the First Saturday to the Immaculate heart of Mary are more crucial now than ever:- http://gloria.tv/media/Pxc2coJE65S<br />and http://gloria.tv/media/gwy8CAkMyfp<br />Please consider doing them.Patricia Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10411801987695069091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7625122474042810442015-01-12T07:17:34.080+00:002015-01-12T07:17:34.080+00:00The appropriate response to puerile cartoonists dr...The appropriate response to puerile cartoonists drawing puerile cartoons is more cartoons mocking the puerile cartoonists.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14950585933172663602015-01-12T03:48:18.108+00:002015-01-12T03:48:18.108+00:00http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles...http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1414-reflections-on-the-perpetual-french-revolutionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56606580280597825062015-01-11T23:32:15.677+00:002015-01-11T23:32:15.677+00:00Chris Pembroke said
Thanks Fr for showing the phot...Chris Pembroke said<br />Thanks Fr for showing the photos of the cover of Charlie Hebdo. I did read that they were crude pornography. But wording leaves one with no real idea. Once you see the pictures its obvious what type of magazine this is. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. In fact it is rally abuse of free speech. It promotes wrong doing and damages ones wellbeing. I realise that Je suis non charlieAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04708373739747054234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-63929281759852933842015-01-11T21:38:57.325+00:002015-01-11T21:38:57.325+00:00non "Je suis Charlie"
mais "Jesus ...non "Je suis Charlie"<br /><br />mais "Jesus le Roi"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69937355197569912422015-01-11T20:19:03.800+00:002015-01-11T20:19:03.800+00:00Moi, je suis Charlie Martel.Moi, je suis Charlie Martel.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-59142365470805478672015-01-11T17:24:41.079+00:002015-01-11T17:24:41.079+00:00Dear Father would you mind advertising the blog of...Dear Father would you mind advertising the blog of St Agatha's- a former Anglo Catholic church, then TAC before joining the Ordinariate. The Church is filled with fittings and furnishings which were ripped out by the Spirit of Vat II or were taken from redundant churches. We also have one of the best vestment collections in the UK. Thank you Father<br />portsmouthmission.wordpress.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-92054369573524696542015-01-11T16:35:25.520+00:002015-01-11T16:35:25.520+00:00Just a heads-up, Father. Jeremiah Methusaleh's...Just a heads-up, Father. Jeremiah Methusaleh's last posting contains a link to a site that my McAffee antivirus program notes is unsafe.<br /><br />The link mentions 'african success'. Just sayin'Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-87718317656019108132015-01-11T15:14:33.953+00:002015-01-11T15:14:33.953+00:00Father Blake,
Leave the link, please, although it...Father Blake,<br /><br />Leave the link, please, although it shows disgusting images, strong, moral persons should be able to handle it, even while repelled. It brings into 3D and glorious Technicolor, widescreen reality what is actually what. These disgusting pictures expose the reality of CH : it is an absolutely disgusting rag deliberately inviting retribution by the foul jihadists with their continual provocation of people’s sincerely-held convictions, come what may. The sewer rats could not care less what others think, that’s their basic problem and represents, very accurately, the true face of socialism. Everyone needs to know the real truth, it will set us free. <br /><br />Many in France are currently out on the streets marching for the “right” to be subversive, to revolt decent people, to disgust those with a sense of morality, all in the name of “Freedom” when they actually mean licence (licentiousness, the ability, the “right” to do anything they want, without reserve or hindrance).<br /><br />All at CH were fully aware of Islamic retaliation, no surprises there. Come on, everyone knows what Islamic retribution is. CH pushed far, far beyond the boundaries of decency. It is a filthy, deliberately offensive, degrading, mocking and outrageous publication. If not, then, for Heaven’s sake, what on God’s earth is ? We pray for their eternal souls.<br /><br />But, Dear Father Blake, I’m afraid you have slipped in possibly conflating the “right wing” and liberal secularists acting together ? They are on different pages, different books. The government (strictly speaking Jen-Luc Mélenchon, the now Socialist “ex” Communist, but in reality the obnoxious Vals and the failure Hollande) have banned participation of the Front National in the march today, all in the name of Liberté etc (excuse me while I vomit). Decent people, there are very many, are so outraged, but the great unwashed are to go out on the streets in the name of “Freedom” for filth to be published.<br /><br />One or two facts :<br />1. The French so stupidly, never ever thought they would be attacked by Islamic terrorists and now it has happened they are completely flummoxed, haven’t got a clue what to do next. And they are absolutely terrified at the thought of Islamic insurrection<br />2. These abominable crimes were committed in broad daylight, in full view of everyone’s smart phones/cameras. <br />3. The French absolutely adore comics (bandes dessinés).<br />4. The CH editor, a lifelong Communist, had/has been in a 3 year liaison with a former Minister of State of the last Government, Jeannette Bougrab. This is denied by the Communist’s family, naturally, but the minister has made a video stating her viewpoint and released personal photographs. <br /><br />During the week when less than 20 (thank goodness, we were expecting even more) French people were brutally killed, 2,000 Christians were massacred in the most horrible manner in Nigeria by Boko Haram, but they are only blacks, so who’s going to go onto the streets for them ?<br />Marine Le Pen’s speech (in French) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFwog468YwY#t=34<br /><br /><br />http://www.africansuccess.org/visuFiche.php?id=949&lang=en<br />http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Societe/Jeannette-Bougrab-Personne-ne-pourra-m-enlever-ma-relation-avec-Charb-687040 “No-one can take away my friendship/ relation with Charb”<br /><br />The French internet is most interesting at the moment, but, in the main, extremely unlikeable, as the socialists are up in arms for “Freedom”.<br /><br />Moi, je ne suis pas Charlie.Jeremiah Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344139605953558862noreply@blogger.com