tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post7094540757518729735..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: CAFOD against Boris' IslandFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89429320151414016482012-01-29T17:26:16.626+00:002012-01-29T17:26:16.626+00:00I would think Aid to the Church in Need would be f...I would think Aid to the Church in Need would be fairly near the top of the list?Paul, Flitwicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-52349578027987482792012-01-29T09:25:00.025+00:002012-01-29T09:25:00.025+00:00Can anyone recommend some Catholic charities that ...Can anyone recommend some Catholic charities that are doing a good job and making efficient use of the money they receive?Mrs. Malaprophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571335974754100925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-89646191085503989802012-01-28T09:04:52.692+00:002012-01-28T09:04:52.692+00:00There is also the issue that any scientist working...There is also the issue that any scientist working for an establishment relying on public funds (ie most of them) who deviates from the establishment line on this subject tends to suffer much the same fate as a parish priest who announced that he was in future going to say all his novus ordo Masses in latin ad orientem with the sign of peace omitted.<br /><br />As to justiying my previous assertion, there has been plenty in the press from warmists lamenting that the public is increasingly sceptical and a quick google search on "uk public global warming sceptics" or similar will reveal all.Paul, Flitwicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-13291533962189572762012-01-27T23:33:19.484+00:002012-01-27T23:33:19.484+00:00Johannes, the “vast majority of scientists” is not...Johannes, the “vast majority of scientists” is not the same thing as “many scientific organisations”. It may well be that the leaders of many scientific organisations have expressed a belief in the theory that global warming is caused mainly by human activity but how many of the MEMBERS of these organisations agree with that view. More importantly, just suppose that the vast majority of scientists did believe in what you claim – would that make it correct?Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-4237895557409535462012-01-27T01:47:53.574+00:002012-01-27T01:47:53.574+00:00''That is not some madcap belief in the US...''That is not some madcap belief in the USA, it is widely and increasingly held in Britain too.''<br /><br />I'm sorry I don't accept this, where is the evidence supporting this (yet again) unfounded assertion? This view is not widely held in the UK, least of all by reputable scientific organisations.Johannes Viljoennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-6460349864079277652012-01-26T21:54:59.246+00:002012-01-26T21:54:59.246+00:00The evidence that climate has warmed in recent yea...The evidence that climate has warmed in recent years is overwhelming, the evidence that this warming is due to man made carbon dioxide emissions and will continue to warm does not appear to be overwhelming. <br /><br />That is not some madcap belief in the USA, it is widely and increasingly held in Britain too. <br /><br />In any case, even if the warming is mainly due to human activity, there is still the inconvenient fact that if the tens of billions being spent on anti global warming measures (many of which such as wind turbines are near useless until a cheap way of storing electricity en masse is invented) were instead spent on feeding, vaccinating housing and installing infrastructure (such as water supplies) for the poor, it would be rather better spent.<br /><br />I also gather that the carbon dioxide polar ice caps on Mars are also shrinking at present.Paul, Flitwicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8323261030539881602012-01-26T00:16:17.668+00:002012-01-26T00:16:17.668+00:00I wonder why Catholics cannot grasp deterioration ...I wonder why Catholics cannot grasp deterioration as a result of Sin?<br /><br />We know things are going down hill.<br /><br />That is why we pray for God's mercy.<br /><br />Only the weeping of the Church will get God to change the mess we created back to the good He created.<br /><br />*Pablo the Mexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09384415590309803327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-1087485590497518612012-01-25T23:00:08.165+00:002012-01-25T23:00:08.165+00:00Paul Flitwick - I hope you don't expect me to ...Paul Flitwick - I hope you don't expect me to answer your question in a combox with a hundred word limit but as an example the polar ice gaps are melting at an unprecidented rate. The vast majority of scientists broadly agree with the evidence supporting climiate change. Be a sceptic if you want but history will prove you wrong.Johannes Viljoennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11038475747715546642012-01-25T19:01:33.959+00:002012-01-25T19:01:33.959+00:00Johnannes,
Well how come the last ten years have ...Johnannes,<br /><br />Well how come the last ten years have seen a slight fall in global temperatures, despite massive increases in carbon dioxide emissions as the far east irapidly industrialises?<br /><br />The climate is changing becuase it has constantly changed throughout history. What is far from proven is that man caused carbon dioxide emissions are responsiblePaul, Flitwicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-25700679453104120212012-01-25T16:26:11.554+00:002012-01-25T16:26:11.554+00:00My research tells me that the VAST MAJORITY of fun...My research tells me that the VAST MAJORITY of funds collected by "Fund-Raisers" goes into their own pockets,they are pestiferous and misleading.<br /><br />When they phone and ask for donations they accidentally on purpose fail to disclose that the contribution agreed to goes on for life and a lot of people are bamboozled,I do know some of the victimsnickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412418782531527758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-37294886629399645462012-01-25T12:21:14.529+00:002012-01-25T12:21:14.529+00:00@gemoftheocean
I now understand that you're f...@gemoftheocean<br /><br />I now understand that you're from Planet America. It's all too easy to assume that people are referring to the UK and forget that the internet is international. Sorry.<br /><br />Interestingly, the more miltant trades unions in the UK do not throw money at the Labour Party anymore. Believe it or not most union members in the UK do not contribute to political funds. <br /><br />But I'm with Fr Blake. All this is a long way from the question of why CAFOD is taking a position in relation to Boris Island. There are environmental pros and cons attached to the new airport proposals. And I'm not just thinking about climate change but the impact on our surroundings. The scheme deserves to be debated. But I don't think CAFOD should court controversy by entering this debate. And who does a CAFOD representative speak for? Certainly not the bishops and certainly not the donors. We ought to know.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84080202488282914342012-01-25T10:55:35.992+00:002012-01-25T10:55:35.992+00:00Nickbris - where is the evidence to support your a...Nickbris - where is the evidence to support your assertion that only one pence in each pound of CAFOD's revenue reaches charitable causes on the ground? This is a ridiculous claim and totally ungrounded.Maria Hulianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76407124336163272632012-01-25T10:55:21.781+00:002012-01-25T10:55:21.781+00:00Gem
You don't have a problem with Unions, you...Gem<br /><br />You don't have a problem with Unions, you have a problem with what unions have become.Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-35974459070155719522012-01-25T10:48:50.375+00:002012-01-25T10:48:50.375+00:00Gem - it's climiate change (eg instability) no...Gem - it's climiate change (eg instability) not global warming. I'm guessing you're American. No other intelligent person/country would claim the issue is fabricated by charlatans. The evidence, although not yet inconclusive, is overwhelming.Johannes Viljoennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-80312066311657517412012-01-25T08:51:45.741+00:002012-01-25T08:51:45.741+00:00The best thing about Boris Island is that it will ...The best thing about Boris Island is that it will lead to the eventual closure of Heathrow and then they could build one of those lovely American style Trailer-Parks which would help to solve the housing problem.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412418782531527758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-38352143513026551642012-01-25T07:06:55.757+00:002012-01-25T07:06:55.757+00:00Amfortas: Planet earth. And I'm smart enough...Amfortas: Planet earth. And I'm smart enough to know that laws are in different in each country. You seemed to have missed that point. Both the US and UK have laws technically forbidding closed shops, but the reality is in many industries if a person wishes to work in certain jobs he more or less has to join a union. I notice your Trade Unions <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/feb/23/labour-trade-union-donations-miliband" rel="nofollow">throw a lot of money </a> at political parties. [As they do in the US. Gee, can you guess which parties those are? Doesn't take a rocket scientist.]gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-86306485178513198992012-01-24T22:33:53.367+00:002012-01-24T22:33:53.367+00:00No, gemoftheocean, people cannot be forced to pay ...No, gemoftheocean, people cannot be forced to pay union dues in this country. From which planet do you hail?!Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-15057383137350907452012-01-24T20:50:27.458+00:002012-01-24T20:50:27.458+00:00For what it's worth, Father, I responded to th...For what it's worth, Father, I <a href="http://www.thethirstygargoyle.blogspot.com/2012/01/cafod-and-boris-island.html" rel="nofollow">responded to this</a> on my own blog; I think this is well within CAFOD's remit, however it may look.<br /><br />And, to be fair, Ben Trovato has <a href="http://ccfather.blogspot.com/2012/01/cafods-remit.html" rel="nofollow">replied</a> countering me. <br /><br />You might find something of merit in both of our arguments.The Thirsty Gargoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07555762505933950270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56111012216252139962012-01-24T20:16:47.104+00:002012-01-24T20:16:47.104+00:00As to CAFOD, did they poll the people who donated ...As to CAFOD, did they poll the people who donated to them? The people who donated may all have individual views on the subject, and they should have no right to speak as if they present the united front of a group of people on that issue. It's dishonest.<br /><br />Same reason I dislike unions. They can often times FORCE someone to pay union dues and then turn around and give those monies to politicians the union member may find objectionable if not outright immoral, Why should a person be forced to pay money ostensibly going to better his working conditions and then have no power to stop people who are turning a large portion of that money over to some politician who supports abortion and is anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian in his/her voting pattern. Now these CAFOD people misused money per se in doing what they did. However, I don't see how it can be right for them to anoint themselves as Little Prince Valiants on an issue which their donors have not granted them the right to speak for them on such an issue, as if they speak for ALL the donors of that group and that is what these people did.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-17307803501866518122012-01-24T20:05:34.813+00:002012-01-24T20:05:34.813+00:00Fr. If the pope has bought into the 'man-made ...Fr. If the pope has bought into the 'man-made global warming' business he's been had. Quite okay and valid to be concerned if people are dumping toxins or are otherwise poor stewards of the earth's resources and habitat. Quite another to get sucked in by charlatans. And the 'man caused global warming the sky is falling give us more billions so we can soak you into paying more taxes' crowd is ignorant as best, evil at worst. I'm not saying the pope is a 'watermelon' I'm saying the charlatans in the global warming crowd are.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-40855148341896538612012-01-24T19:57:48.264+00:002012-01-24T19:57:48.264+00:00Suppose that in the 1930s a Catholic equivalent of...Suppose that in the 1930s a Catholic equivalent of CAFOD had argued that in the interests of world peace the UK should rearm. Would we have argued at the time that this organisation should have kept its nose out of national politics? Or suppose that a German equivalent of CARITAS had advocated that people should oppose the Nazis because the Nazis were anti-Semitic. Should German Catholics have argued that this organisation keep its nose out of national politics?<br /><br />CAFOD argues that (a) the proposed airport will cause an increase in carbon emissions and that (b) these emissions will lead to an increased global temperature and that (c) this will cause all sorts of problems for people in developing countries. On that basis they have every right to object to the proposed airport. They just happen to be wrong about (b) as has been shown by the fact that carbon emission have continued to increase over the last decade but over that time there has been no statistically significant increase in the global temperature. This has been admitted by Phil Jones, the Director of the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia:<br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8511670.stmMikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-64088124811902156432012-01-24T19:55:31.667+00:002012-01-24T19:55:31.667+00:00Why do these kinds of debates bring out the unorth...Why do these kinds of debates bring out the unorthodox Catholic rightwing fringe and the borderline sedevacantists? Or, indeed, those who see the devil at work in every human folly? I do not speak as someone on the left, either politically or theologically.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-71040746319327330242012-01-24T19:34:55.488+00:002012-01-24T19:34:55.488+00:00Gem,
Is that really what you think of the Pope?
...Gem,<br /><br />Is that really what you think of the Pope?<br /><br />Climate change is a real issue, whatever its cause, as is the use of the world's resources.<br /><br />The subject I was hoping to have a rational discussion about is Cafod's official opposition to this particular proposal.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-47947489488111995412012-01-24T19:27:19.069+00:002012-01-24T19:27:19.069+00:00I'd agree with Mr Grumpy. Climate change dispr...I'd agree with Mr Grumpy. Climate change disproportionately affects the developing world and will contribute to financial and economic inequalities therefore the issue does fall within CAFOD's remit. Furthermore there is no suggestion that they have spent any money on the matter. It doesn't cost anything to write a letter to a newspaper - if they sent it by email rather than by snail mail using a 34p stamp. They don't need to spend any money on it, all the research is out there to be read already.Johannes Viljoennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-81094543707424486232012-01-24T19:05:46.343+00:002012-01-24T19:05:46.343+00:00These 'climate change' people are largely ...These 'climate change' people are largely charlatans. Just looking for another way to stomp on humans traveling, working, etc. Green on the outside, red on the inside. Did you miss the last two years where the Torygraph had extensive reporting on the data fudging and outright suppression of information contrary to their pet theories? The earth has been warming and cooling for billions of years. If the Holy Father got suckered by this, he should know better. It's right to 'respect the earth' and have reasonable conservation efforts and makes sure to take care of the earth so people don't go around dumping untreated toxic waste wherever they please. It's NOT cool to PrinceCharile-AlBore like try and lecture everyone else while flying around in a private jet plane, all the while setting up phony carbon credit scams. Just another effort to rob the productive nations blind and give to the wanna be tinpots in third world countries. while all the while the 'watermelon'* types pontificate. Yeah, I'm 'concerned' about the Sun's solar flares too. Nothing I can do to stop them!<br /><br />[*watermelon types = green on the outside, red on the inside.[gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.com