tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post7224930212271653587..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Tablet on NicholsFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-42593405380136770592009-04-10T07:23:00.000+01:002009-04-10T07:23:00.000+01:00Oh yeah i think I am! Woops!Triduum fever!Oh yeah i think I am! Woops!<BR/><BR/>Triduum fever!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77336671047189086572009-04-09T17:13:00.000+01:002009-04-09T17:13:00.000+01:00Goodness, La Curti is talking about 20 years ago! ...Goodness, La Curti is talking about 20 years ago! A lot can happen to a person in that time. How does she or anyone else know what his motives were or are? <BR/><BR/>Isn't Jackie commenting on the wrong thread??Deliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383433319373651830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-50276256457016355882009-04-09T14:45:00.000+01:002009-04-09T14:45:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16947296716214495624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-90398385041799739862009-04-09T13:54:00.000+01:002009-04-09T13:54:00.000+01:00Also I wouldn't like to have our dear Cardinal New...Also I wouldn't like to have our dear Cardinal Newman mentioned in the same paragraph as Blair. Call ME anti-Catholic if you like!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65552561626338838992009-04-09T13:52:00.000+01:002009-04-09T13:52:00.000+01:00Actually Fr Ray..I don't think it's OK! I ...Actually Fr Ray..I don't think it's OK! I actually think much of what Tony Blair teaches from his pulpit is downright evil & won't be hanging around awaiting his conversion. I thought he'd supposed to have had one already!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-16661872774338845912009-04-09T12:52:00.000+01:002009-04-09T12:52:00.000+01:00Christopher you ask, "Where's the dishonesty and m...Christopher you ask, "Where's the dishonesty and media manipulation?"<BR/><BR/>media manipulation here:-<BR/>"...was ever at his side to exploit photo opportunities."<BR/><BR/>dishonesty, seems to be what Curti says all through the article.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76142900301722107642009-04-09T12:20:00.000+01:002009-04-09T12:20:00.000+01:00Actually, Father, Newman says nothing of the sort....Actually, Father, Newman says nothing of the sort. What he says is "In another world it might be different but here below to live is to change and to be perfect is to have changed often". It is from his An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine. What he means is that in order for a doctrine to remain constant, faithful to its content, the manner in which it is presented needs to take account of the development of human thought. An example might be the need to find a manner of talking about creation that retains the central dogmatic truth that God is the sole author of all that is created whilst presenting it in a manner that a pre-copernican could understand it and grasp it and really assent to it then and that you and I, knowing what is now known about the Cosmos, can do the same today.<BR/><BR/>In any event, I think the expression you were searching for is Tablet delenda est!Deacon Stephen Morgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11402432945122325502009-04-09T10:40:00.000+01:002009-04-09T10:40:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16947296716214495624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14158879224250276142009-04-09T06:57:00.000+01:002009-04-09T06:57:00.000+01:00Oh OK Fr Ray!Oh OK Fr Ray!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-65085390558420452122009-04-09T02:47:00.000+01:002009-04-09T02:47:00.000+01:00Fr. Ray,The honour-roll of distinguished Catholic ...Fr. Ray,<BR/><BR/>The honour-roll of distinguished Catholic clergymen dissed by the Tablet goes on and on:<BR/><BR/>Pope Benedict XVI ("reactionary")<BR/>Fr. Tim Finegan ("divisive")<BR/>Fr. Andrew Wadsworth ("Tridentine")<BR/>Archbishop Vincent Nichols ("orthodox")<BR/><BR/>Who's next for this great accolade?Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13769697942265014482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-44441126932564000632009-04-08T22:13:00.000+01:002009-04-08T22:13:00.000+01:00Delicious irony. Ms Curti says +Vincent was once "...Delicious irony. Ms Curti says +Vincent was once "liberal" but then increasingly "espoused orthodoxy". Did she mean to say Conservative, or does she admit the difficulties in being liberal and orthodox?Andrew, Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16458933675046942467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-11595486849469807552009-04-08T21:37:00.000+01:002009-04-08T21:37:00.000+01:00Let's take, for a moment, the most cynical and wor...Let's take, for a moment, the most cynical and worldly view of the Archbishop's damascene change of heart - which seems to be that he is simply furthering his own ambition. (I don't necessarily agree with this. I believe that people, myself included learn from youthful mistakes, and become naturally more conservative with age). If it is indeed the case that orthodoxy and liturgical conservatism is suddenly fashionable and necessary for promotion then this country and many others will be almost unrecognisable in terms of catholic leadership within ten years or so. And among the pool of candidates, genuinely orthodox and traditional clergy will not be sidelined. This assumes "tipping point" will be reached during the current papacy. And that is in the hands of God.Dillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01205740584849200357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-51926026953373386222009-04-08T20:39:00.000+01:002009-04-08T20:39:00.000+01:00“Newman says, ‘to change is to grow’…”Precisely, F...<I>“Newman says, ‘to change is to grow’…”</I><BR/><BR/>Precisely, Father. I can recall a time when a certain Fr. Josef Ratzinger was considered a ‘liberal’, a ‘progressive’ and was viewed with some suspicion by certain Jesuit professors at the Gregorian around the time of Vatican II. When Peter Seewald asked him in 1996 why he had not become “a great critic in the tradition of the German rebels against the Church”, he replied:<BR/><BR/><I>“Although the constellations in which I have found myself – and naturally also in the periods of life and their different influences – have led to changes and development in the accents of my thought, my basic impulse, precisely during the Council, was always to free up the authentic kernel of the Faith from encrustations and to give this kernel strength and dynamism. This impulse is the constant of my life.”</I><BR/><BR/>Might we not hope for the same impulse from Ab. Nichols? Different roles can change a man. Look at St. Peter!GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79887446422827407032009-04-08T20:38:00.000+01:002009-04-08T20:38:00.000+01:00Jackie,Let's believe in the effect of grace and co...Jackie,<BR/>Let's believe in the effect of grace and conversion like good Catholics.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-51880014541329867812009-04-08T20:26:00.000+01:002009-04-08T20:26:00.000+01:00Do you mean does a leopard change its spots Fr Ray...Do you mean does a leopard change its spots Fr Ray?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-55970637123910389842009-04-08T20:22:00.000+01:002009-04-08T20:22:00.000+01:00Ghetto?Bring it on...If the Church isn't being per...Ghetto?<BR/><BR/>Bring it on...If the Church isn't being persecuted in some way in this now most anti-Christian of countries, something's wrong. Clearly, Curti wants the new Archbishop to say nice things, smile politely while the Government tramples all over Church teaching and pick up a peerage at the end of his reign. Another 10 years of that?<BR/><BR/>I'll take the ghetto.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.com