tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post7309767094137055326..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Ecclesia Loquens:The Chattering ChurchFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-4948704697566409162012-10-13T23:53:49.591+01:002012-10-13T23:53:49.591+01:00@ Amfortas
Westminster Cathedral's use of EMH...@ Amfortas<br /><br />Westminster Cathedral's use of EMHC is in flagrant defiance of Redemptionis Sacramentum and is why when I attend Mass in London I do not alight at Victoria but change for the District/Circle line and travel two stops further west.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-83539659847710369052012-10-12T12:36:52.371+01:002012-10-12T12:36:52.371+01:00There's something very ironic in that they sta...There's something very ironic in that they started the meeting at liberal Heythrop college and then had to move to St. Mary Abbott's the local Anglican church to finish it off. Maybe God was trying to tell them something.<br /><br />My favourite quote was "young people see hypocrisy in the Church". You can say that again. I was young once and all I've seen these past 40 years is hypocritical priests and religious like these stirring things up from the inside and generally making a nuisance of themselves. They never accepted the teachings of the church and never will. Who ordained these people?<br /><br />BJCBJChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593104081224026799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-20447082110164157702012-10-12T12:01:42.921+01:002012-10-12T12:01:42.921+01:00Deveolop-slope-slope-slop...blimmin Google 'sp...Deveolop-slope-slope-slop...blimmin Google 'spells....innovation<br /><br />St Vincent of Lerin encoureged Catholics: take care to cleave to antiquity, which cannot now be lead astray by any deceit of novelty. <br /><br />In a 'novelty-age' God help all the 'led astray'.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-75264329928419858892012-10-12T10:37:04.506+01:002012-10-12T10:37:04.506+01:00"Development" of either doctrine or dogm..."Development" of either doctrine or dogma is not something that the Orthodox Church understand, it is certainly not something which should be sought for its own sake."<br /><br />I agree. But it is something towards which the Holy Spirit guides the Church as a result of argument. 40/50 years is a short time in a "Church which thinks in centuries", however painful some of the chattering may be for us who live through it.<br />I also agree with your reference to formation and the need for prayer, though where those are absent the Holy Spirit can still workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-43051065995907056692012-10-12T09:48:24.792+01:002012-10-12T09:48:24.792+01:00This looks pretty much like the age group which ch...This looks pretty much like the age group which chatters in church.<br />Discussion and argument are all very well among those who have the expertise and training to examine dogma and doctrine but not among those who "think" and "feel" as a substitute for knowledge. In this instance, we are not all equal, any more than a student is equal to a don or a first-year intern to a brain surgeon. <br />Anyone who has had the misfortune to sit through meetings where, almost inevitably, the subjective overwhelms the objective<br />will know what a head-banging exercise it is.Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-77196195647386253402012-10-12T09:29:42.014+01:002012-10-12T09:29:42.014+01:00EF Pastor,
...but when it goes on for 40/50 years...EF Pastor,<br /><br />...but when it goes on for 40/50 years! And when it seems to outweigh every other diocesan or parish activity, when it is forced on people, when it is chatter for the sake of it, when is conducted by those who have little formation and little prayer life or when these are not a pre-requisite for it.<br /><br />Then it becomes destructive!<br /><br />"Development" of either doctrine or dogma is not something that the Orthodox Church understand, it is certainly not something which should be sought for its own sake.<br />For Newman it was something which happened under the influence of the Holy Spirit, not something which was done for the sake of it.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-42207735655238997782012-10-12T07:09:51.715+01:002012-10-12T07:09:51.715+01:00More ranting....and we had a hymn before the intro...More ranting....and we had a hymn before the introit was sung so that we could all feel we had something to do. Hymns are all very well for devotions and offices but not for a solemn mass. More ranting over!Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-76460479654009444252012-10-12T05:46:39.426+01:002012-10-12T05:46:39.426+01:00Without discussion and argument would there ever h...Without discussion and argument would there ever have been any development in doctrine or Dogma in the history of the Church?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-29078309572706549342012-10-12T02:20:34.956+01:002012-10-12T02:20:34.956+01:00I wish some one would write a book defining when C...I wish some one would write a book defining when Catholic,stops being Catholic. In a world of new age continuums I had hoped the Church would be a bulkwark against all those ideological bungies. In my local parish weekly news letter you're as likely to find quotes from Jim Morrisson, or Ayn Rand as any of the Saints. Ghandi, the DailyLama get honourable mention in homilies. Is it just me who finds these sorts uses wear away at one's faith, a polite war of attrition.Our Lady of Good Success-pray for us.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14746510579669229511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-62151745216812148522012-10-11T22:41:58.314+01:002012-10-11T22:41:58.314+01:00If those in the picture are the young people how o...If those in the picture are the young people how old are the others? Frederick Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106669441369527118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-81406133551914000622012-10-11T20:29:24.910+01:002012-10-11T20:29:24.910+01:00Bravo Father,
Evangelisation can also be achieved...Bravo Father,<br /><br />Evangelisation can also be achieved by 'example', like the source of many conversions pre-Vatican II. Now people are told to stay where they are and not convert?Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-7009525031506838652012-10-11T19:41:07.459+01:002012-10-11T19:41:07.459+01:00Spot on. I've just been to a mass at Westminst...Spot on. I've just been to a mass at Westminster Cathedral to open the Year of Faith. Bishop John Arnold in his homily talked alot about 'you and me' but very little about drawing closer to Our Lord. It was evangelisation for the chattering, must be doing something classes. He also talked about spirituality (the theme of the last season of the Year of Faith according to the Westminster Diocese). What is spirituality for heaven's sake but new age pap. And, of course, despite dozens of priests being present we still had holy communion distributed by Extraordinary Ministers. Rant over!Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580253432208073322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14521478502759358002012-10-11T18:26:29.996+01:002012-10-11T18:26:29.996+01:00Agreed, Father. The interminable meetings of the b...Agreed, Father. The interminable meetings of the business world have infected the Church. The business meetings mostly achieved little, except to reinforce in the organizers that they were ‘doing’ something. I’m afraid the Year of Faith in many places will result in a plethora of meetings and discussion groups resulting in an avalanche of ‘position’ papers that will be read by few and influence less.<br /><br />Rather than meetings and discussions, what about more public devotions, prayer, Confession times, Exposition, Holy Hours, etc.<br /><br />We better demonstrate our faith by acts - not words. <br />GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.com