tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post8682590519950615818..comments2023-12-16T16:17:43.886+00:00Comments on Fr Ray Blake's Blog: Lay Presidency in Lower GrasmereFr Ray Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-8458804229257785862009-04-21T11:16:00.000+01:002009-04-21T11:16:00.000+01:001. I can't believe that a priest would have left j...1. I can't believe that a priest would have left just on sacred host reserved, unless EMHCs took from the reserve for visits to the housebound and sick, without alerting the priest to the shortage: wot no phones? I know mobile signals are poor there, but ...<br />2. clearly parishioners not 'fit for mission'.<br />3. I am sure the good Lord would have counted a time of adoration and a Liturgy of the Word as a commitment to keeping the Sabbath holy, rather than this reported abomination.almostholymolyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558239371087788084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-82802776542860936692009-04-19T19:59:00.000+01:002009-04-19T19:59:00.000+01:00Even if it is a hoax, I can resist no longer....
N...Even if it is a hoax, I can resist no longer....<br />Now, *that* was not my Massjoe mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-56271691795355410592009-04-18T02:07:00.000+01:002009-04-18T02:07:00.000+01:00Definately a hoax, I wonder is Fr F knows anything...Definately a hoax, I wonder is Fr F knows anything about it? As Fr Z would say 'I'm only askin'!big bennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-69996453836531130062009-04-17T18:29:00.000+01:002009-04-17T18:29:00.000+01:00Whilst I very much hope this is a hoax, I have ser...Whilst I very much hope this is a hoax, I have serious fears that this may be the latest diabolical attack on the Church - striking at the very root of faith. Only this Lent I had to listen to an elderly Dutch Dominican sister explain to a group of bemused ladies how the Dutch Dominicans have proposed 'lay presidency' in the absence of priests - some of you may remember this suggestion from a year or so back. I have also heard it from Anglicans recently.<br /><br />Like Jackie, I would rather die, I think. Those who make the point that poor catechesis is to blame are correct. I heard nothing concerning the priesthood on Maundy Thursday - nothing to connect the Last Supper with it.<br /><br />If people are left to believe that the priesthood is simply a functional, rather than an ontological, thing, it is a short step to believing it is not necessary at all. After all, anyone can do the actions. We need clearer teaching on sacramentality and the Sacraments.<br /><br />I do think that the introduction of girls as servers was detrimental here; though I respect the Church's decision. Girls can function well - do the actions more deftly than boys - and this gives the further impression that what happens on the altar is all about functionality. I understand that this is not the same as the priesthood - but it all feeds into the same attitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-13999084711520406162009-04-16T21:30:00.000+01:002009-04-16T21:30:00.000+01:00I am glad that others are as taken aback by this e...I am glad that others are as taken aback by this extraordinary letter, I hope that it is a hoax. perhaps the most shocking thing, f it is true is that the woman seems so proud of herself, what a 'slap in the face' for the parish priest.Dominicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36938927277713786462009-04-16T09:57:00.000+01:002009-04-16T09:57:00.000+01:00If it should turn out to be a hoax - what deliciou...If it should turn out to be a hoax - what delicious irony if the Tablet should have to print a line like "[We] hear that closely... [checking]the internet would have made it possible to obtain knowledge of the problem in time." - especially in light of their poor treatment of the Holy Father. Certainly I've got nowhere with googling 'Lower Gras(s)mere'.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206762801611524345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-79379789253423094592009-04-16T01:52:00.000+01:002009-04-16T01:52:00.000+01:00Look up the diocese in which Grasmere is situated ...Look up the diocese in which Grasmere is situated and then check to see if there is a parish at Lower Grasmere. If so let the bishop know what is happening and if not let the Tablet know that they have been had.Sharonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-85009450064608301032009-04-16T00:23:00.000+01:002009-04-16T00:23:00.000+01:00But "Lower Grasmere"?But "Lower Grasmere"?Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-53315080010164287602009-04-15T22:54:00.000+01:002009-04-15T22:54:00.000+01:00Here is the church in Grasmere:
http://www.lancas...Here is the church in Grasmere:<br /><br />http://www.lancasterdiocese.org.uk/Parish.asp?ID=37<br /><br />Sunday Mass is listed as being at 11am not 10am though.roydosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16938047251308288033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-1079929572870487552009-04-15T22:06:00.000+01:002009-04-15T22:06:00.000+01:00I have been looking for "Lower Grasmere" and can't...I have been looking for "Lower Grasmere" and can't find it, there doesn't appear to be a Mass Centre there either.<br />I think I agree with those who suggest it is a hoax.Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-4454954286765571912009-04-15T20:31:00.000+01:002009-04-15T20:31:00.000+01:00"I'd have said it warrants excommunication"
From ..."I'd have said it warrants excommunication"<br /><br />From what? :pAugustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874922973165634505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-36242207258173983832009-04-15T20:30:00.000+01:002009-04-15T20:30:00.000+01:00I agree with the others who are suspicious of this...I agree with the others who are suspicious of this story. There seems to be a startling disregard for the very basics of journalism here. The "who" [exactly] WHEN, Place etc. are vague and unspecific.<br /><br />I can't believe that if this actually did happen in a Catholic church somewhere NOT ONE PERSON would have stood up and said "this is horsebleep have fun explaning this to the bishop." <br /><br />[If I had been present at such an occasion,I guarantee you there would have been a trip to the emergency room. "Miss Karen, if you just relax your ankle a bit I'm sure we can get it out of Miss So-and-So's rear end and we'll have you both out of here in a jiffy."]gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-23960640091140582812009-04-15T17:39:00.000+01:002009-04-15T17:39:00.000+01:00I saw this in a Catholic Action alert and assumed ...I saw this in a Catholic Action alert and assumed from the word go that somebody had played a trick (in extremely poor taste) on The Tablet and that the Tabletistas had fallen for it, just as the people playing the trick expected them to - because deep down some of the Tabletistas would welcome this happening, and especially in PO'D's Diocese.<br /><br />But I can't believe it really happened.<br /><br />When they apologise next issue, I bet they manage to lay the blame on some EF-loving, <I>Summorum Pontificum</I>-quoting, priest-bloggers.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-13481419424363994422009-04-15T11:52:00.000+01:002009-04-15T11:52:00.000+01:00Paulinus,
While what they did way appalling I real...Paulinus,<br />While what they did way appalling I really would find it hard to believe that they would do such a thing if they really understood the Faith. You can't deny people full Catholic teaching and then chastise them for not following it. I hope their priest will deal with the issue and everyone will be the wiser. <br /><br />As regards the Tablet, there is no way this abuse should have been exposed like this. I would agree that it needs a good clean out.Ma Tuckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-44284849417314769552009-04-15T10:22:00.000+01:002009-04-15T10:22:00.000+01:00This sounds like a shocking lack of understanding ...This sounds like a shocking lack of understanding of what the Eucharist actaully is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-3680541849769318752009-04-15T10:21:00.000+01:002009-04-15T10:21:00.000+01:00Patricius - a couple of problems here. Firstly the...Patricius - a couple of problems here. Firstly the Tablet doesn't have a 'half-decent' editor and second, with regard to 'the facts' there's the old journalistic adage which goes 'never let the truth get in the way of a good story!' <br /><br />Although I think I might just agree with your sentiment that this is indeed a hoax! <br /><br />Surely (?) no-one would dare go THIS FAR to make believe their own liturgy. However, it is a matter for the local Bishop.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13031618301013986930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-20445162590481992072009-04-15T09:25:00.000+01:002009-04-15T09:25:00.000+01:00I agree that the current liturgy is not an effecti...I agree that the current liturgy is not an effective catechetical tool. More than 40 years after the council and our laity is completely ignorant. Ms Pepinster went from being a lapsed Catholic hack via some dubious 'stepping stones' program (a sort of subset of AA) to editorship of a serious 'Catholic' journal in less than 18 months. It's manifestly absurd that she has any worth saying about the Catholic faith.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-26375897344190790532009-04-15T09:14:00.000+01:002009-04-15T09:14:00.000+01:00It sounds like a load of old cobblers to me.
The T...It sounds like a load of old cobblers to me.<br />The Tablet must be getting lessons from Richard Branson,we will certainly be tempted to read the rag even if we don.t pay for it.<br /><br />Same sort of thing emanating from Downing St.They know they are beaten but refuse to lay down.<br /><br />Anti Catholicism is rife in this country and is as bad as it was in the 19th C. We just have to be aware of the Fifth Column.nickbrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803733028691380861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-14160094232031255122009-04-15T09:01:00.000+01:002009-04-15T09:01:00.000+01:00I'd have said it warrants excommunicationI'd have said it warrants excommunicationPaulinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07764882488839589040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-84726418636867094212009-04-14T23:31:00.000+01:002009-04-14T23:31:00.000+01:00Whilst one would hope it is a hoax unfortunately i...Whilst one would hope it is a hoax unfortunately it is not beyond belief,mores the pity.ffnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-73843661635657441722009-04-14T22:51:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:51:00.000+01:00Surely a hoax? Any half-decent editor would have s...Surely a hoax? Any half-decent editor would have sent someone to check out the facts.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-41941893705816189652009-04-14T22:44:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:44:00.000+01:00Fr Anthony,
Corected!Fr Anthony,<br />Corected!Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-13137235529171261152009-04-14T22:03:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:03:00.000+01:00My I, a native of Westmorland *, correct you. It i...My I, a native of Westmorland *, correct you. It is GRASMERE and not Grassmere. This village has a lovely medieval church and a fine Jardine organ.<br /><br />* A county that was absorbed into Cumbria by the bureaucrats in the 1970's.<br /><br />Fr. AnthonyFr Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521671841072661886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-17560763951284109632009-04-14T22:01:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:01:00.000+01:00And people wonder why I might be delaying Swimming...And people wonder why I might be delaying Swimming the Tiber. At least Anglican heretics can sing...Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874922973165634505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31069882.post-63872204730829450722009-04-14T21:49:00.000+01:002009-04-14T21:49:00.000+01:00I was simply HORRIFIED when I read this in the Tab...I was simply HORRIFIED when I read this in the Tablet. The creeping Protestisation of the Catholic Church. Disastrous.Mauricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02262499349555966043noreply@blogger.com