Friday, April 22, 2016

Victim Souls a Voris Video from 2010

I thought it was pretty obvious that Michael Voris had struggled with what he has revealed recently, He has made no bones about his distance from God, and hinted that part his problem, like many people's was sexual, this video reveals something rather beautiful that seems to be the experience of some of my parishioners.
... but moving on the real question every Catholic who has viewed the Votex has is about the hair,, err, is it a toupee? Will Cardinal Dolan's New York Archdiocese dirty tricks department reveal that? Apart from that, I don't think there is much to see here, the Church is full of repentant sinners - thank God!


abevec1 said...

I hadn't guessed it, but I suppose it makes sense. Still it has saddened me, just a lot of bad news recently. The hair is still a mystery.

Liam Ronan said...

When I was young I was taught by both the priests and nuns that 'detraction' can be a mortal sin against the 5th Commandment, i.e. "Thou shalt not kill". I understood that 'detraction' can kill the soul of its victim no less than homicide deprives the body of life. So too anyone who, by threatening or intimating disclosure of hidden sins or faults, compels a person to publicly admit to a sin or fault which otherwise would not have been know were it not for duress.

The Catholic Encyclopaedia defines 'detraction' (in part) thus:

"Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault or crime of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer....Detraction in a general sense is a mortal sin, as being a violation of the virtue not only of charity but also of justice...The determination of the degree of sinfulness of detraction is in general to be gathered from the consideration of the amount of harm the defamatory utterance is calculated to work. In order to adequately measure the seriousness of the damage wrought, due regard must be had not only to the imputation itself but also to the character of the person by whom and against whom the charge is made."

That Mr. Voris has come forth with this admission strongly suggests he was under enormous duress which then forced him to admit a hidden fault. It was a brave thing to do. I trust that knowledge of his past sins was not in any way derived directly or indirectly through disclosures made either to a priest in the confessional or to another spiritual advisor from whom counselling was sought.

Bernard Fischer said...

I don't know what to think about this.

Voris' allegation against ADNY cannot be proven, and cannot be disproven. Unless he has an email containing salacious details of his past sent from the chancery office in NY to a reporter of some sort, there's nothing to prove they were out to smear him. I guess he could have a witness or testimony of someone hired to dig up dirt, but those can be easily denied or dismissed as "disgruntled employees".

While I admire his forthrightness in coming forward with his sins, this just seems like an attack on the Church in NY by proxy: with him as the proxy in this case. People who don't like Cardinal Dolan merely have one more reason to dislike him. People who hate Voris just have one more reason to hate him and people who like Voris have one more reason to like him. I can't see this burnishing the image of Dolan or the archdiocese in any way.

Liam Ronan said...

@Bernard Fischer,

It seems to me to be a reasonable inference that some stimulus both distressing and urgent prompted this 'admission against interest' by Mr. Voris. Time will tell, of course, but what can be proven will depend on whether or not more specificity is forthcoming in respect of the allegations.

I suggest none of us have the duty or the wherewithal to meaningfully address this matter at the moment.

Barbara Jensen said...

In this Voris video from 2010 Michael conveys a vulnerability which draws one to listen to what he is saying. I sense his suffering and deep need for God in this particular piece. It is this openness and vulnerability that will help others who are afflicted with bondage to a habit of serious sin. The reality of his sinful past, now being known publicly, I do believe will help Michael to reach others through his ministry. It will add a softness to his approach that has been missing.

John Fisher said...

Having watched and listened to Michael as he describes his past I was moved to tears. Imagine you were St Peter and conscious for the whole of your life you had denied Christ and been complicit in his death through inaction and cowardness. Mortal sin is just such a portrayal.
Michael is brave and given that Dolan and the Archdiocese od New York were going to bring up the past much against Michael it is good he in a most confident way was up front.
The gay scene and ideology lies and enslaves people to vices that degrade. Then as with any vile way of thinking turns on anyone who turns away from it, tries too and gets away. Sex is the opium of the people in our age and the drug pushers and those addicted turn on anyone who points out the degrading enslavement. We live in a period like the 1920's in which no one points out the elephant in the room. We are a highly promiscuous society that wont take a good look at itself. Everywhere the signs of sexual disease, mental illness, suicide, broken families, sexualisation of children and pornography so available are never looked at. We describe all this in journals and medical literature but do little to stop it. Its a slave market.
The fact is celibacy is a respectable cover for many clergy who will never marry and they are attracted to the Church as a career. That is good but when they are progay and secretly are sexually active they are like ticks on the cow. Many diocese are full of progay ideology clergy rather like in the past many clergy have favoured fascism, socialism and the reign of terror and on and on.

Jacobi said...

Voris is being brave, and very Catholic.

Some will try to get him because he is dangerous. He speaks simple straight Catholic Truth and that does not go down well in liberal or Gradualist or heterodox circles, call them what you wish.

We had an earlier example of this when Cardinal O'Brien, who apparently patted a few backsides in seminary parties in the sixties, nevertheless reformed and spoke out bravely against such sin and as a result was crucified by the Vatican and is still in "exile", while others who kept quiet are in nice comfy jobs!

Mark said...

No doubt Voris has brought many to the Faith in the past. As a repentent sinner he has done the right thing but as for the future of his outspoken Apostalate...... I fear it's sinking! His aggressive rants, especially against active homosexuality, are now meaningless, coming from a man, who over two decades, did the same thing! Sadly his credibility is irrepairably damaged and his ability to lecture others is now diminished.

Sadie Vacantist said...

Voris' attacks on the ADNY make no sense to me. What is impressive is the way he has turned his life around. He should cut out all the trad stuff and concentrate on his own conversion. He might have become a useful EWTN catholic. Instead, he hangs out with E Michael Jones and is way out of his depth.

Sean W. said...


"His aggressive rants, especially against active homosexuality, are now meaningless, coming from a man, who over two decades, did the same thing! Sadly his credibility is irrepairably damaged and his ability to lecture others is now diminished."

What a strange thing to say. A man who crusades against a particular vice, citing its socially ruinous consequences, is made more credible, not less, by the revelation of his vulnerability to that vice. It is harder, not easier, for a man tempted by something to speak out forcefully against it.

John Fisher said...

Thomas More mentions somewhere about heeding the advice of a drunkard who tells you not to drunk. The point being he knows what he is talking about. I like Michael because he has zeal born of bitter experience. He knows about the gutter because he was drawn to it and sat in it but he managed to stand up and tell the tale. Sin has its attractions that turns into a living hell. If you have ever been degraded and ensnared by a vice isn't it praiseworthy to warn others to get away or keep away from it. Sin is a disease of the soul and body and part of the cure is not infecting others. I fear for Michael.... I pray those who want to pull him down don't tempt him to fall and if he did I pray he would not despair but rebound. Zeal and being emphatic is part or repudiation. His zeal is a repudiation. Being blunt the gay world is full of cowards.... those who know its a meat market but ambivalent won't attack it. Only homosexuals can dismantle the homosexual ideology by showing it up as the fraud it is.

dav phi said...

I think we have to ponder the life of Saint Paul, a self confessed persecutor of the Church, yet through the grace of God transformed into an Apostle. A man who in a past life has teetered on the edge of the precipice is supremely qualified to speak about the dangers of hell.

Mark said...

Sean/John/Dav - after further consideration, yes, you're right! I still think about the U.S case of Kim Davis refusing to marry a gay couple and in so doing becoming the self appointed Poster girl for sexual morality. However, it was revealed she had been a Christian for 5 minutes and bore children from husband number three while still married to husband two. It smacked of hypocrisy and made one desire a moral crusader to be whiter than white, preferably beyond reproach. However, perhaps zeal is repudiation of a previous lifestyle! Thank you gentlemen.

Pablo the Mexican said...

The problem with the actual study of demons is that, for our intents, the information is full of theological errors. In other words, you will be up against heathen legend vs. Christian theology. It would be very difficult to sort it all out on your own. St. Albert the Great has some advice for you: "It is taught by the demons, it teaches about the demons, and it leads to the demons."

Is this of demons?

Homosexuality is a form or diabolical possession, as well alcoholism, drug addiction, and other such 'behaviors'.

If treated as such, the possession disappears.

Stand firm on Truth, Tradition, pray and do penance.

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary,
that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection,
implored your help or sought your intercession,
was left unaided.

Inspired with this confidence,
I fly to you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother;
to you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful.

O Mother of the Word Incarnate,
despise not my petitions,
but in your mercy hear and answer me.