Thursday, March 01, 2018

Where is the Vatican going?

With scandals like gay drug parties in Vatican palaces, bishops running major dicasteries who put suggestive murals into their cathedrals, monsignori who get caught in lifts with their boy friends being promoted one has to ask where is the Vatican going? Maybe the other questions are, where are we being taken and wo is taking us there?




















And now the new Vatican postage stamp

21 comments:

M. Prodigal said...

This pictured stamp is better than the one with luther and melancthon (sp?) taking the place of Our Lady and St. John at the foot of the Cross...

Unknown said...

Most important question is (for a while already):
- Who among us, still thinks that we are on the SAME SIDE?!
There are WE and THEY. Those who are they are against our Lord and His Holy Church. Therefore THEY must be called with the right names.

"All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics." St. Pope Pius V.
"The greatest obstacle in the apostolate of the Church is the timidity or rather cowardice of the faithful." St. Pope Pius X.
Ivan

philipjohnson said...

It is a travesty just like everything from Rome today.Just remember Rome has lost The Faith.

Ignatius O'Donovan said...

Actually the Christ on the postage stamp does bear some resemblance to the Christ by Michelangelo in The Last Judgement famous in the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelos Christ is a classical Greek hero image (Hercules). Nothing really new here.

William Tighe said...

"This pictured stamp is better than the one with luther and melancthon (sp?) taking the place of Our Lady and St. John at the foot of the Cross..."

That depiction of Luther and Melanchthon is a reproduction of a 19th-Century depiction of a mural placed in the tympanum above the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg, where Luther is supposed, almost certainly falsely (*), to have posted up his 95 Theses on October 31, 1517; see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints%27_Church,_Wittenberg#/media/File:Lutherstadt_Wittenberg_09-2016_photo06.jpg

The churches was destroyed by Austrian artillery fire in 1760 when occupied by Prussian forces during the Seven Years War. After the town and neighboring region was taken from Saxony (which remained too long an ally of Napoleon to escape his defeat unscathed) and given to Prussia in 1815, King Frederick William IV had the doors repaired in 1858, and the painting installed above it.

(*) See the first chapter of The Making of Martin Luther by Richard Rex (Professor of Reformation History at Cambridge and Fellow of Queens' College there) for documentation of this claim. The book was published in September 2017 by Princeton University Press, and is well worth reading.

Marcus Josephus said...

The Body of Christ still bleeds from many wombs. I am reading Jeremiah for Lent. There is no need to mention the parallels.

Craig Smith said...

I don’t see the problem with the stamp. It’s a fairly classical Christ figure.

Physiocrat said...

I don't know where the Vatican is going but I am "going" to "Constantinople". I can not be doing with any more of this. It can seriously damage one's faith. The packet needs to have a health warning on it to that effect.

One seriously bad papally-appointed bishop is a misfortune. Two in succession is more than carelessness. When all but two out of a dozen local priests are firmly opposed to the celebration of the EF Mass, where else is there to go?

John F. Kennedy said...

He looks like a youngish Hugh Laurie

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Simple Simon said...

'Put a beggar on horseback and he'll ride to hell'.

Gerard Larkin Haverstock Esq said...

Going to hell in a hand Basket,That where it’s going,Down the road to nowhere.







JARay said...

With all the talk about schism, it certainly is here. I will not go to Rome on pilgrimage while ever the present incumbent is Pope.

TLM said...

For those who don't see a problem with this stamp; If they had just put out the stamp alone, it may not have been such a huge deal. Along with it, the German Bishops on their website stated that "it will make women's hearts beat faster." Clearly a sexual connotation to that statement. But, I would argue that it's actually not 'women's' hearts that may beat faster, but certain sexual orientated men in the hierarchy. You can bet your bottom dollar with this statement that was made on the German Bishop's website that they are seeing it that way. THIS is the problem with the stamp. They're infusing homo erotica sexual innuendos to every 'buff' man that is displayed in the Vatican.
I had to chuckle in agreement with one poster who said: "They're coming out in a 'drama queen' sort of way." INDEED.

Michael Leahy said...

Physiocrat, schism is the wrong answer. Whatever Rome does right now, I am staying with that perpetual Rome that extends back to Peter. Perhaps Francis' absurd motto 'Time is greater than Space' finds meaning in this context.

Two out of twelve? That is good. Give it time.

Gerard Larkin Haverstock Esq said...

I would not even go out my door to see him,For he has open the door to scandal,And his betrayed the church.Where will it end,Only the Lord
Will bring it to a end sooner or later,Our church is in his Hands.

Blogger said...

Michael Leahy,

Positing fidelity to an eternal Rome that is not essentially connected to the present Roman See and its bishop is really no different than what Eastern Orthodox Christians say about communion with Rome (which, like you, claims to follow an orthodox Roman See of the past). Besides, by choosing to follow Holy Tradition apart from reference to the current Pope, you are contradicting important Catholic claims about the Papacy such as the need for communion with Rome to preserve the Faith (you are doing fine without current Rome, why cannot others?). Besides, a view of the Papacy that accepts that the current Pope is misleading his flock distorts the meaning of schism into a legal requirement for one to submit to spiritual abuse and ensure the proliferation of error through obligatory communion with an errant bishop (instead of limiting the error through a break in communion). In order for one to avoid these logical contradictions, one must accept the orthodoxy of the current Pope. In my opinion, anything less is simply an apologia for Eastern Orthodoxy that refuses to connect the dots back to 1054.

Catholic gal said...

Do you mean Orthodox or do you mean Eastern Rite?

Physiocrat said...

@Michael Leahy

The notion of a "Perpetual Rome" is a Roman interpretation. If you read Mt 16: 13-19, it is evident that it is not the only possible interpretation. If you look at Church history up to the Council of Florence, or up to 1870, you will find conflicting claims that lead to no resolution on either side.

There remains a valid reason for attachment to Rome on the grounds of jurisdiction and the principle of one bishop in one city. Orthodox parishes in Western Europe are invariably immigrant communities with external bishops or other anamalous arrangements, such as the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Thyateira & Great Britain.

Catholic immigrant communities, on the other hand, invariably come under the jurisdiction of the local Catholic bishop. That is as it should be. Before the abolition of Latin in the liturgy, an outward sign of the catholicity of the Catholic church was the presence in the same congregation of members of all immigrant groups. This was an important factor in the integration of immigrants and the sustaining of Catholic community and Catholic identity.

Once Latin was scrapped, parishes become sub-divided into language groups who almost never meet each other, with relations ranging from indifference to mild hostility over matters such as the use of parish facilities and the contributions made to the running of the parishes.

The difficulty for Roman Catholics is that contemporary forms of worship are scarcely recognisable as Catholics, with the near-universal use music of protestant origin ie NOT-Catholic, and texts that may be heretical, sung from books that lack the Nihil Obstat. Such liturgy can not be considered as worthy. On top of that we find that a majority of clergy and bishops are indifferent, and actively opposed to the traditional form of the Mass, which is the only guarantee that the liturgy will not be a Lutheran hymnfest or worse. Then one looks at the collapse in numbers almost worldwide, a Pope who, important symbolically, adopted a name previously unknown in the history of the papacy, and one might wonder whether this is the final act of the thousand year drama. Is it all over?

Blogger said...

Orthodox, of course. Who mentioned Eastern Rite Catholics?

Fred W. said...

I bring Tidings of Great Joy !

For unto all the world, by decree hath He Who Rules With Pastoral Mercy declared that Faith is not a Spectacle and Religion is not a Show. Convert your Thinking and be not like the Pagans. With Rightness of Thought, the Creeds and All the Dogmas may be Recited.

As for those who appear to be Nearly Naked in Nativity Scenes and at Papal Audiences, after Conversion of Feelings one can see that they are wearing - most unostentatiously - the Emperor's New Clothes.

Agreed that Hugh Laurie has found his way onto a postage stamp.