Interesting, OLJC doesn't seem to feature...
These 'tips' are totally secular and could be recommended in good conscience even by an atheist.
Diabolical. It is an amoral, materialist, relativist, Buddhist-like manifesto.
11. Eat lots of fish.12. Buy a white suit.13. Watch football.14. Don't give interviews to journalists.15. Listen to some Beethoven.16. Ride on buses.17. Learn to dance the tango.18. Release a dove from your window once in while.19. Go partying with Jesuits from time to time.20. Chill out!
unbelievable in its inane banality!!i would expect the bishop of rome to do better than that.god help us.philip johnson.
Yes, it is strange, at least to me. Someone on another board pointed out that Pope Francis is not only speaking to Catholics in this talk, but to the world and as usual he is 'meeting them where they are'. OK, lets give him that. I would like to know, however, when he is going to start talking to 'Catholics' about 'true Catholicism'? I'm wondering if he thinks that he is the only one who can pull the world into the Church? I thought that we were ALL commissioned to do that. And I'm wondering if he hasn't noticed that the pews in the Church are.....Uhum......excuse me, a little empty at the moment? Wonder if he hasn't yet figured out that if he 'reconverts' Catholics that we can ALL help pull the world into the Church, and the only way to do that is to pull Catholics back into the Church with the TRUTH of the Jesus in the one true Church. I wonder if I'll ever figure out just what he's trying to accomplish? The only thing he's doing is confusing the faithful that are still in the pews, as far as I can see with my little pea brain. :)
Hands up those who know anyone who doesn't hit at least 7 of the 'tips' on the list (whilst trying to hit more) and yet the continuing pervasive meaninglessness of such 'joy' seems to have the inevitable consequence of resulting in increasing distractions, disatisfactions and addictions. Does he really mean 'joy', or just making yourself comfortable on the way to judgement day?
That's funny, St. Francis said that true joy comes from being despised for the sake of Christ.
Sunday is for families...Dang!I've been catechized in Tradition to believe Sunday is the Lord's day.These seem innocent, but they are the mask of much much evil.*
Or the word "Catholic".Or God.Or Our Lady.Or a Saint's name.I'd better stop.
I'll say one thing. If he wants to contribute to the joy of converts he should put a sock in it. 'stop being negative', says the man who the other day called 'still' Christians 'corrupted', like 'stagnant water'. By 'still', he meant those who stand firm with the authentic faith (and thereby are able to see the emperor is in the nuddie). Even the most 'visciously non-judgemental' new age gurus I encountered when I was young were less poisonous than this new-age guru - talk about fork-tongued - unfortunately these sorts of gurus have been widely cloned and installed in parishes prolifically. Happily 'this too shall pass'.
He's forgotten five-fruit-or-veg-a-day and twenty minutes exercise.How did that get left off the list? 8. seems a bit, erm, judgmental. It's more usually phrased as 'Think Positive Thoughts'. Sometimes added is the phrase 'Meditate daily or do some yoga.'And in 10. what happened to 'Justice'??I mean, everyone knows the standard formula of intercession at a Jesuit Mass - it's "Justice n' Peace".
Forgive me, I may have said something like this before.But this list could have been given by any ordinary atheist, or humanist, or agnostic. I suspect all of the +/-25 pals I mix with two days a week at hobby activities would agree with it. So yes, it's nice and Politically Correct. But is it Catholic?I would like to hear some sound Catholic teaching from the Holy Father.Mark you, some of them, my pals, including myself, would not necessarily always always live and let live. We would see it as our duty, in my case Christian duty, not to.Ther are as no 1
Is this from "pope" or from Richard Dawkins?
"Stop being negative" gives the game away, doesn't it? He's having us on.Does Colbert write his stuff?
These could become known as the 10 Happitudes.Actually with this Pope's pronouncements I will fail on number 3 every time 'Proceed calmly in life'
It seems to me the Pope is doing his best to drive those of us who struggle to be Faithful Catholics away.The one certainty I had in my daily struggle was the unchanging Truths of the Church.What is he playing at? Does he not see the damage he is doing to me and others like me?
Is there a Roman Catholic among you ?????????? Francis is the Pope like it or join the C of E
I like "Find ways to employ the youth". That's it: keep them out of mischief!
Compare and contrast with The Beatitudes. Christians are not to seek worldly happiness but to do God's Holy Will (which one is likely to suffer for).
Anybody not agreeing with that list is uncivilised.There seems to be an abundance of Anti Pope rhetoric about,Good King Hal would have been over the moon with pride
I wonder if he is trying to reach out to those who read the astrology columns in the daily newspapers. After all it was the Bishop of Lyons in his book "Pagan France" who worked out that more was spent on astrology than the Catholic Church in France spent every year!
The un-aggiornamento-ed 10 tips:http://www.harvestingthefruit.com/secrets/
@Newry Liam: "Francis is the Pope"And … ?Are you one of these neo-ultramontanes who, since the election of Francis, have decided that no utterance of the Pope may ever be questioned, let alone criticised?
I must thank Bosco for his list which he sent to me a couple of days ago. I agree with him that his list is the next ten. Indeed they could have been written by Mr. Dawkins.
St Dominic's feast this week (twice, EF and OF).I can imagine what St Dominic would have had to say about 'Live and Let Live' as a principle of right action. Ditto re 'Who am I to judge.'
Perhaps you could give the context of this selection, Father. Is it really the Holy Father's considered view or is it- yet again- the product of some dodgy journalist?
This list is brilliant! I certainly intend to follow the Holy Father's advice.
Another Paul VI sitting on the throne of St. PeterSt. John Eudes says in his book, The Priest: His Dignity and Obligations:"THE MOST EVIDENT MARK of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clerics’ who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds.Instead of nourishing those committed to their care, they rend and devour them brutally. Instead of leading their people to God, they drag Christian souls into hell in their train. Instead of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, they are its innocuous poison and its murky darkness.When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, “Return, 0 ye revolting children . . . and I will give you pastors according to my own heart” (Jer. 3, 14-15). Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge visited upon the people in consequence of sin.’"
. . . Or we could just practise the Faith, follow Our Lord's commandments, to work for our salvation and the salvation of others - the only "happiness" that matters, true joy of the soul that transcends our suffering. Nothing else will lead to our eternal salvation - the true purpose and end of our lives on Earth. We are the Church Militant and we are about doing God's Will, not chasing worldly "happiness" or contentment - which is not real or to our good. Man is made to worship and obey God, to give Him Glory - nothing less than that will give us joy. "Our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee."
I think this list is very helpful as to ways in which we can improve the way we live and therefore come closer to God. I am shocked at some of the comments here, referring for example to the pope as being 'fork tongued'. Who are we to set ourselves above the pope in this way?I would suggest that being Catholic is living an ordinary life where you manifest love through your everyday acts. Is this not what the pope is saying?
That this papal magazine menu will bring anyone 'closer to God' is unlikely - since God and our need to worship Him is entirely unmentioned anywhere in the screed. It is more liable to confirm the lazy and secularist in their lazy secularism and to convince them that they're all 'OK' without God, without any doubts or soul-searching, or conversion: they'll all be fine, just as long as they re-cycle, visit their parents on Sunday and are generally benevolent to others and indifferent (or 'tolerant') to what goes on around them.It is a vision of ephemeral, self-indulgent banality. Even the ancient pagans such as Aristotle and Marcus Aurelius did better than that.'Proceeding calmly in life' has nothing, absolutely nothing at all, to do with 'being a Catholic'.
I think the Dalai Lama should sue the Pope for plagiarism!:http://askharsh.blogspot.ie/2012/08/10-secrets-that-guide-to-happiness.html?m=1Sadly, as so many Catholics have been mistaught and mislead for so many decades, many think this is what Catholicism is reduced to. No need for Our Lord to have suffered His Passion, died and rose again for us, and have given us the One True Faith and the Holy Church to preserve it, No need for Divine Revelation and Sacred Tradition and the sacraments as the only means to salvation. No need for salvation, this material world is all there is. Complete indifferentism and practical rejection of Our Lord God, from Whom we Came and to Whom we are called to return for eternity. Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell . . .Let us pray for all those who are persecuted for refusing to renounce the unchanging Faith given to us by Our Lord, Jesus Christ. And the conversion of those who have left the Faith for an insidious, tyrannical, soul-killing relativism.St Dominic, pray for us. Reparation, reparation, reparation.
Besides the sadness that this brings (you were right to post without comment, Father) it confirms something about Francis that I was finding hard to articulate, he needs to be beyond criticism. He has never said anything that any reasonable person, of another faith or no faith, would disagree with. He clearly fears being criticised.
I can see a photo of Pope Francis with the words "Live, Love, Laugh". So sad, I feel like I have been thrown back into the 70's. May God help us and especially Pope Francis.
Jesus Christ is the true source of Joy. This is a time of purification for the Church. It is a time for new Saints. Let us pray and stay true to Jesus Who sees and knows all things.
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