The more I read from the Synod, the madder it all seems Who let Archbishop Cupich make his first Holy Communion, let alone ordained him, have you read him on individual conscience? I can't recogise it as being Catholic. Substitute pederast or necrophile or bestiophiles, along with mass murderers, Klu Klux Klan members, people traffickers and members of the Mafia for the categories of people he would 'accompany' (what does that really mean?) and admit to Holy Communion and see where his thesis leads, "the individuals conscience is supreme" - lunacy!. I thought the inarticulate and unchatechised Cardinal Dew was bad enough. Who appoints these men? Oh!Now if I had a choice I would brand them both as heretics and not be in Communion with either, I am in Commnion with them because I am in Communion with my Bishop and we are both in Communion with the Bishop of Rome. Now there has been some talk of the Pope dissolving the Catholic Church into national Churches, or Churches based Bishops Conferences. It seems pretty obvious that if all the bishops of he USA were like Cupich or those of New Zealand like Dew some National Churches would simply not be Communion with either. If such local Churches were left to go their own way, how long before the German Church and the Polish Church were excommunicating one another? And even within National Churches could Chaput and Cupich really survive in Communion for long.
This really is madness, take the Polish German situation, imagine if all the Marxian-Kasperite proposals were followed to their logical conclusion and across the border Poland followed the course the Polish bishops laid down at the Synod. Would Polish bishops accept German annulments? Would they accept German marriages? How long before they refused to acknowledge German orders or admit Germans to Communion? Would the Poles not say the that they were not only not in Communion with the German Church but also not in Communion with those who maintained Communion with Germans? Wouldn't the Poles set up parishes and even dioceses in Germany where their own people living in Germany could safely receive valid sacraments?
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It is madness.
Finally these people came out in the open, in the light, after many years in hiding.
But it is a good madness because Evil is exposed.
Evil exposed itself. How Stupid!
And when exposed, eventually, Good will come out of it.
Because, unless you noticed like me, this is the Harvest Time.
It is coming, my friend.
The whole idea of permitting individual Bishops responsibility for how doctrine and tenets of the Faith are interpreted in their particular diocese is just plain dumb.
Just as stupid as suggesting that individuals are capable of deciding their own conscience.... But that is the nature of the beast these days.
Only satan and his cohorts would see the 'wisdom' in such. I shudder at the thought that I am somehow 'in communion' with the likes of Cupich... God save us....please
It's all crashing down so fast it's dizzying. I can't help but recall the words of Our Lady of Akita:
October 13, 1973
"My dear daughter, listen well to what I have to say to you. You will inform your superior."
After a short silence:
"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests."
"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confrères...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
"The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"
"With courage, speak to your superior. He will know how to encourage each one of you to pray and to accomplish works of reparation."
"It is Bishop Ito, who directs your community."
And She smiled and then said:
"You have still something to ask? Today is the last time that I will speak to you in living voice. From now on you will obey the one sent to you and your superior."
"Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved."
You got it Father, it would basically destroy the whole concept of the Papacy
I do so agree with all that you have said here Fr..
It is nonsense to say that the conscience is supreme. Clearly many have poor, or bad consciences. We, each of us, must have a clear and informed conscience. I can think back to that old film made by Disney called Pinocchio and the song sung by Jimminy Cricket "Always let your conscience be your guide". Archbishop Cupich must have been tutored by Jimminy Cricket. He certainly was not tutored by the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
To think that Cardinal George's successor in the important diocese of Chicago is as intellectually weak as Archbishop Cupich is distressing.
When he was appointed, I had assumed that though he was too liberal and weak in my view, at least he would be able to communicate the faith in a coherent and inspiring manner. But I was totally underwhelmed at his installation Mass and even more disappointed with the comments he has been making lately.
I cannot understand why he was chosen by Pope Francis. I doubt that the pope knew him, so who would advise him to do so, and on what basis?
The Devil is working overtime at the moment all over the place. Time to reinstate this prayer at the end of all Masses.
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
Father, is not Archbishop Cupich guilty of a serious/grave sin in making his proposal? I mean, isn't heresy a grave sin? If so, should he be celebrating Mass, which I assume he does daily?
Here is why I am asking: The Church has always taught that if one is in grave sin, then one should refrain from taking Holy Communion. I would assume also, that a priest in grave sin should refrain from saying Mass and consecrating the Eucharist until he goes to confession and makes a firm resolution to amend his ways.
So, if the 'heretical' proposals that are being presented, constitute grave sin, then why are these prelates at the Synod who advocate them,celebrating Mass, and why are the other orthodox prelates allowing them to do so? Are these latter not colluding in the grave sin by allowing a sacriledge of the Mass to take place? I am using as a comparison, the sin of abortion, where the person who aborts, and all the others who collude in the abortion are automatically excommunicated. At least that's the way I understand it.
Umm, it's very, very early morning where I live, and these thoughts come up as I try to get my head around the things that are being proposed by these 'worthy' prelates, and trying to square them with the faith in Our Lord that I cherish.
May God truly bless you for these posts that stimulate our thinking, and our reasoning, in the Faith.
Popes dont live for ever. One day he will go and all this madness will be put right by his successor. The Church is one. It's how our Lord made it. It's how we want it. No nutty pope is going to destroy what is ancient venerable and divine. It may take a long time to get right. But it will. Just keep praying. The rosary and the rosary. . . .
Paul, I have mixed feelings about the Pope "going". I mean he and I are the same age.
And I do find the whole situation shall we say an interesting bit of history which as we must remind ourselves has not, history that is, come to an end!
Oh, nice day outside. A bit of Autumn gardening now!
Excellent blog Father! Satan has indeed emerged from the darkness, it is madness that the views of heretics are allowed to be voiced without hindrance at this Synod. We desperately need the prayer to St Michael reinstated at the end of all Masses
One definition of madness is sin justifying itself based on the 'supremacy of conscience'. This means that we ourselves are the judge of right and wrong, not God. Supremacy of conscience is an atheistic idea. In other words as Dostoevsky once said: "If God doesn't exist, everything is permitted." ..
Plus ça change!
It was noted last week that there appeared to be a move by some in the Synod to undermine, once again, Humanae Vitae. Ab. Cupich’s remarks confirm this. His ‘primacy of conscience’ assertion is exactly what was originally advanced - post 1968 - to undermine it the first time.
History repeats itself.
Or as Ecclesiastes puts it: ”What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.”
"Who let Archbishop Cupich make his first Holy Communion, let alone ordained him..."
Precisely. His doubts and misunderstandings would have been longstanding, and multiple people on his own particular 'faith journey' have either turned a blind eye to it or have helped incubate it; such is the disorientation in the Church at the moment.
I never thought the liberals would go for broke this time, but I think everyone can sense a certain bloody-mindedness has overcome their lobby. Their wordsmiths are working overtime, interviews are being given and one senses an announcement is coming. If it happens, the chaos it creates is going to be spectacular.
Jacobi. Me too, similar age I mean. This is I suppose is an intersting bit of history. That's a good way to look at it. It will soon pass and we will all be back to 'normal' Enjoy your gardening. . .
Remember also that Archbishop Cupich was not elected to the Synod by the American Bishops. He was a personal appointee of the Pope to the Synod.
Along with the Synod in 2014, I think this one has brought out into the open that there is a truly a grave crisis in the Church. So many of the Bishops and Cardinals appear to have such poor formation in theology and/or simply do not hold to the Catholic Faith.
Archbishop Cupich is simply highlighting what has been happening in the Church in the West for many, many years. In Australia more than 80% of bishops have been exalting the sanctity of individual conscience against Church teaching inexorably for over 20 years. Cardinal Pell has been a lone voice in combatting these hirelings. The same holds true for sacrilegious communions. It is a common occurrence at school Masses. Under leaders like archbishop Cupich and Drew pastoral dexterity detached from doctrine has been the order of the day, especially in the Australian Catholic Church. These bishops have set up themselves up as a parallel magisterium and have become a law unto themselves.
As a Baptist looking at the synod through "protestant" glasses, I see a fight that we had in the southern Baptist Convention years ago between progressive leaning congregations and traditional baptists. Numerous churches left the convention. Now I understand the difference between autonomous baptist churches and RC parishes, but it looks to me as that y'all are heading in the same direction. Sadly it is a sign of the age. Satan is reaping the fruits of division sown long ago.
Truly the fruits of the Vatican II "Renewal" when the successors of the apostles and even (tragically) the successor of St. Peter can't engage in basic Catholic theology. Lots of sentimentality and politics. The Pope sounds more like an evangelical Protestant when he speaks than the Vicar of a christ on earth. God help us all. It is madness indeed but we had it coming when you start to understand the sad history of it all.
Well I must detach myself from "Gregkanga". I know no bishop here in the West of Australia who has been exalting the sanctity of human conscience. Over in Tasmania the relatively new Archbishop there has been served with a summons for daring to send out to Catholic schools there, that the teaching of the Church is that same sex "marriages" are not alright, and that those in irregular marriages cannot receive Holy Communion. Archbishop Porteous is straight down the middle in proclaiming authentic Catholic teaching.
It is true that there have been some bishops in the Eastern States who are rather less sound. Indeed there is the case of Bishop Morris in Towoomba who was stood down by Benedict XVI. But Archbishop Fisher in Sydney is marvelously sound and a great successor to Cardinal Pell.
As for the reception of Holy Communion at school Masses, that is something I see all the time since all of the children line up for Communion and I am certain that the majority have not darkened the door of the Church since the last time that they were dragooned into the Church for a school Mass.
"Now there has been some talk of the Pope dissolving the Catholic Church into national Churches, or Churches based Bishops Conferences."
This is what I don't understand. This is just heresy. a distortion and contradiction of the Catholic faith; but here is the real insidious ellement of it all: This model already exists, it is called Protestantism. And we see this isn ethics too! The idea that one makes one's own decleration on what the written word of God merans and how it is applied to one's own moral life, this too is Protestantism. In other words, the Church both morally and structually is, if these heretics had their way, Protestant.
This begs the question, "Why do they not become Protestants? The answer to this question, I fear, is the real danger to the Church.
I am wondering if Anglican Ordinariate parishes might be a refuge for the faithful. Their priests are typically very solid and more importantly--as I understand it--they are under the authority of their own ordinaries rather than the local bishop. If this is correct, they may be able to disregard a "pastoral" directive from a bishops' conference to commit sacrilege.
Is my understanding correct?
Paul,
Thanks but I'm not sure I agree that it will soon pass. I am a natural pessimist, something I strongly recommend, since you are rarely disappointed.
I tend more to the view of Bishop Schneider who believes we are in the,
" the fourth great crisis in the history of the Church, comparable to the fourth-century Arian heresy in which a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated".
The gardening was pleasant by the way. Then we followed up with a vist to an art exhibition of a close neighbour - but we didn't buy anything. We are OAPs after all!
https://exlaodicea.wordpress.com/2015/10/17/should-we-give-communion-to-archbishop-cupich/
Remember Archbishop Cupich was personally invited by the pope to the Synod? Here is who the Archbishop was was praising at the Synod:
http://abyssum.org/2015/10/17/are-these-the-people-archbishop-cupich-was-praising-in-the-synod/
I will tell you that when I had 19 years between confessions and 'followed my conscience' being someone with 12 years of Catholic schools, etc. My conscience did NOT bother me when I committed further sins. Not a twinge. As St. Paul wrote to the Romans, when in sin our senseless minds become darkened and we become vain in our reasoning.
Those living a homosexual lifestyle or in an invalid marriage are in mortal sin and their conscience is dead.
So I have to wonder about the consciences of these prelates that advocate people to continue in sin....are they themselves in a state of grace? Is God no longer offended by sin?
Jacobi. Yes I agree with bishop Schneider. I am currently reading Phoenix from the Ashes by H. Sire. This is very good and puts a lot in perspective. But we must not be complacent. Think about the ordinary man in the street. Where can he turn to when the Church is in such a disarray? We oldies are lucky. We grew up in a solid orthodox Roman Catholic Church. Now its all gone. Communion in the hand is the latest monstrosity. . . Don't get me started
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Fred Brown
"Why do they not become Protestants? Answer: De facto many of them already are. The entire thrust of Vatican II is to Protestantize the Catholic Church via Modernism which has infected the Church since the late 19th century. One of the key ideas of VII was the supremacy of conscience which makes Man his own God, a most Protestant idea.
If God permits it, I believe the Church will have to be renewed by a small remnant of believers as the Catholic Church, as we know it now, fades away in the form of National Bishops Conferences who determine their own doctrine or in other words become formally Protestant.
Father Ray, At the end of your penultimate paragraph, I wonder if you accidentally wrote 'Chaput' when you meant to write 'Dew'?
For Archbishop Chaput seems to be on the side of the angels:
'Chaput, an outspoken conservative in the U.S. hierarchy, said in his column [Wall Street Journal, yesterday, Fri.16th Oct.] that while reformers swear they are not looking to change doctrine, their repeated claims to fidelity may mask plans to alter pastoral practices that could, for example, allow divorced and remarried Catholics to take Communion.
“The more some synod fathers claim that no doctrinal change is sought on matters of divorce and remarriage — only a change in ‘discipline’ — the more other synod fathers worry,” wrote Chaput, one of four bishops elected by his fellow American prelates to be a synod delegate.
“And for good reason. Practice inevitably shapes belief.” '
http://www.religionnews.com/2015/10/16/u-s-archbishops-chaput-cupich-offer-sharply-different-visions-vatican-synod/
I meant what I wrote. Can a national Church really hold such divergent bishops?
How very very kind of you Father to share your thoughts with us. It is consoling to know that faithful priests like you are suffering this with us - (the 'new minority') and that you are willing to feed your lambs with Truth.
What amazes me most is how such a nonsenses and heresies can receive a pinch of respect or even a minute of listening. Just a century or something ago, the most charitable answer their proposers would get, it would be a "shut up", penance and a spiritual reeeal "accompaniment". In our times, we have a synod called to "discuss" those blasfemies as if they were serious, in order not to have them condemned, but to sanctify them in the name of "pastoral care". If the "pastoral care" were to mean a path to conversion of millions of adulterers and sodomites, for the sake of their immortal souls, the synod would be wonderful. Instead, what we have seen is a redefinition of the meaning of marriage, family, love and mercy in order to corrupt the new and eternal Convenant established by God Father through Our Lord Jesus Christ. Don't fool ourselves: it's not "madness"; it's pure and simple evil. How much time will it take till a faithful and courageous successor of the Apostles rise up and denounce THE responsible for all that?
JARay, I have included bishops Fisher and Porteous in the 20% of 'good' bishop so to speak. Although bishop Fisher is good, having studied with him at Melbourne College of Divinity, I wouldn't go as far as saying he is "marvellously sound". He has along way to go in filling those big shoes of Cardinal Pell. Bishop Morris on the other hand, has been representative of the 80%. He still feels bitter and aggrieved for being sacked, and claims he was denied due process and justice. After all, why was he sacked for saying publicly what the majority of the Episcopal Conference was doing clandestinely? And judging by the various pastoral plans across the country which has devastated the faith, he has every right to feel aggrieved.
Thank you for mentioning NZ. It is a bastion of Vatican Twoism - haters of Catholicism.
The fundamental issue is this: these people do not ask us to give up faith, but they DO say that repentance of any sort, and therefore good works of any sort are not necessary if we are to be saved. This is salvation by faith alone......even good Christians among the protestants don't, unknown to them really accept that since they go around telling people to repent. Am I clear ?
If doctrine is devolved to national churches then they will not have it for long. Regalism will take it away and give it to the State. Portugal is an interesting example of this happening. The Marquis of Pombal in the 18th century decreed that doctrine was to be decided by the King and he was to have the power to appoint Bishops. The ultra liberal Bishop of our local town, Viseu, became prime minister twice. The laity got so fed up with the lack of teaching on morals that they eventually rose up at Vatican I and ensured that their Bishops voted in favour of infallibility contrary to the Government's instructions. Eventually even the Bishops fell out of favour with the Government, religious orders were expelled (wrecking the education system) and the Patriarch of Lisbon exiled. Our Lady intervened in 1917 and the rest is history.
Thank you, Fr Ray, I see what you meant now.
As we've recently seen in E&W, a bishop who faithfully maintains the Church's unchanged rule on withholding Holy Communion from an MP who openly advocates active homosexual relationships, can be sidelined and even contradicted by the secretary of a 'national' bishops' conference...That was truly unbelievable.
If things come to pass as we anticipate and that there indeed is a German church and a Polish church, but not Roman Catholic Church, then I think this will be a potent incentive for Poland as a nation and culture to lean to the East (Orthodox Church). Europe west of Germany will in time be a Caliphate with no remnant of Christianity. Christianity will survive in the east because there is a greater identity of principles with the Orthodox Church than the heretical western, temporary and nominally Christian west. IMHO
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