Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Petition for Fr Tim and flowers for Elena


Do sign this online petition,

To: The Tablet
The purpose of this petition is to demand an apology from Catherine Pepinster (Editor) and Elena Curti (Deputy Editor) to Fr Timothy Finigan for the article entitled, 'That was not my Mass' in the 21st February 2009 edition of your journal. The reason for this demand is the unethical journalism used by Ms Curti to publish the article. The apology can come in either a private letter to Fr Finigan or printed in the next edition of The Tablet.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned

Last night I was at reception for Mgr Wach to celebrate the official recognition of the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest.
It was interesting to see at first hand the horror of so many traditional Catholics at the statements of Bishop Williamson. I was speaking to one man whose father had been one of the first British soldiers into Belsen, he told me how until his death he used to wake-up practically every night with nightmares of the horrors he had seen.
A women, a lady, "an avid Trad" as she described herself, who rather touched me. She had heard that Elena Curti had received hate mail because of her article, she said, "That is very unpleasant, I must try and get myself organised and remember to send her some flowers in recompense, it is not the Catholic way to return injury for injury".

16 comments:

Henry said...

Nice idea about the flowers, we are sorry about the hate mail but we don't agree with your views.

mafeking said...

The hate mail is bad and shouldn't happen. Having said that I detect some provocation from the Tablet and wonder if that is what they wanted. They know tempers are frayed and that some traddies are liable to fly off the handle so it plays into their hands. They can publish that stuff now and say "I told you so" - they are all like that. We really have to play them at their own game and give them their "love" and "compassion" back.

PaulineG said...

Excellent response from this lady - what an example.

In a situation like this it is so easy to surrender the moral high ground, but totally counter-productive.

Henry said...

At one level they might be best ignored eg by not writing to the letters column.

There is, in a way, no need to talk about liturgy. Rome has spoken and the clergy should do what has been asked.

The Tablet is poor in many of the subject areas it covers. That's why I have never bought it. The Month was often quite good but it closed ten years ago. Second Spring and the St Austin Review offer good quality discussion.

Of equal concern should be the failure on the part of the laity to become acquainted with the Social Teaching of the Church. This is where the Tablet ought to have been saying more instead of peddling recycled socialism.

Unfortunately it does not help that the recently published Compendium is so poorly set out as to make it difficult to navigate and establish what is being said on a particular issue. The same applies to the Catechism, incidentally.

In view of the poor accessibility of these publications in their present form, there is a need for journalists to bring their contents to public attention.

It is looking as if Capitalism as we have known will prove to have outlasted communism by just a couple of decades, but who amongst we Catholics is able to provide a coherent view on the direction things ought to take? Had the Tablet been doing its job properly, there would have been many such.

Ma Tucker said...

Hate mail?
Sorry Father given the way poor Elena distorts reality I'm not quite convinced she could soundly tell the difference between hate mail and righteous anger. If she is happy to misrepresent the actions of a good man then I'm afraid there is no depth too deep for her.

She should set right the wrong she has done and send flowers to Fr Tim in the process. Her behaviour was beyond disgusting.

Claire Hedderman said...

Dear Fr Blake,
I speak as a local resident and parishioner of Our Lady of the Rosary Blackfen. The division in Blackfen parish has been totally misrepresented by the Traditional Catholic Bloggers, we are ordinary people, and we do not time to respond to daily blogs or campaigns on facebook. We have a real and serious problem in Blackfen and this internet campaign is making a mockery of our parish.

Many parishioners in Blackfen are not opposed to Latin mass per se and; this dispute has been made worse by the lack of local communication within our parish on many levels. The Latin Mass is the main Sunday Mass, and often the main Mass on Holydays in Blackfen and meeting facilities are available only after this Mass in our Parish.

I know personally over 100 people that have left Our Lady of the Rosary Parish since the introduction of Latin Mass for the main Sunday Mass. Some of this number has been replaced by Latin Mass supporters from far outside the parish boundary. Blackfen is a community based parish, and our community is suffering as the local people are staying away and this will have a devastating effect now and in the future.

If Latin Masses are to take place in Blacken then surely there should be consideration to have them at a time that meets the needs of our fellow parishioners. That includes the elderly, infirm, vulnerable and people with young children. It is simply not safe for people to go out in the evening in London for these people.

What is this petition? Fr Jack Hackett? Fr Ted Crilly? This is making a mockery of our parish. The other people that have signed this petition I suspect from an international Latin mass supporter base, worldwide but obviously from their comments do not have the full facts to inform their views.

I have read the blog articles and the attempt to stop the article before it was even published. Elena Curti reported fairly the situation, the views published are attributable to parishioners, and there has been no misrepresentation on her part.

Now Damian Thompson of Daily Telegraph and Fr Finigan has set up an international fund to supplement parish funds - why? There are many abusive comments and juvenile contributions and the authors of these blogs have a responsibility for their publication. And even after moderation, if these comments are published this will only incite a forum for abuse and deepen divisions. I would like to see a lot more balance in the consideration of this situation.


Please read our letters in the Tablet tomorrow.

A local parishioner has noted that "This serious subject is rapidly becoming surreal!"

Respectfully,

Claire Hedderman
Our Lady of the Rosary

Ricccardo said...

I wonder what Fr Wach is wearing? I've never seen a prelatial cassock trimmed in blue before? Is it something to do with the Knights of St Constantine?

Fr Ray Blake said...

Riccardo, It is the habit of his Institute.

Fr Ray Blake said...

Clair, The ridicule is directed towards Ms Curti, admiration is directed towards Blackfen.
The petition is directed to the Tasblet asking for an apology for shoddy journalism.

Henry said...

Claire, I appreciate it is not nice to have the affairs of your parish brought to national attention though how did that happen in the first place?

I am curious to know why 100 of your fellow parishioners have left if the Latin mass is not the problem. But what is the problem? The Novus Ordo Latin Mass is the normative mass of the Catholic and vernacular and hymns have only ever been permissive, as you will see if you look at the relevant documents. Same applies to the priest facing the same way as everyone else. The EF Mass is not so very different so what do your fellow parishioners find so terrible about it? They only have to sit down, relax and listen to the silence. How difficult is that?

In my experience of two parishes, a third of the congregation disappeared when the vernacular was introduced. In my own parish in Brighton there are so many in the congregation for whom English is not their first language that it doesn't matter anyway. Same here in Sweden even the priests sometimes aren't too good with the vernacular, let alone the very mixed congregation so we get some odd things at times but language isn't such an issue anyway, people communicate as best they can. Is it that the English speaking people have a morbid fear of foreign languages?

Ottaviani said...

Claire Hedderman: I have read the blog articles and the attempt to stop the article before it was even published. Elena Curti reported fairly the situation, the views published are attributable to parishioners, and there has been no misrepresentation on her part.

The Tablet was prepared to take the opinions of those who wish tolerance to be shown to them but not to those who have a devotion to the traditional liturgy. A prominent blogger, who is very involved in your parish (Mulier Fortis) did not have her views published - presumably because they did not fit well with the overall slagging off Fr. Tim.

The parishioners have three masses in English celebrated for them on a Sunday. There is only one extraordinary form mass for those who wish it. What is your problem with that? The "elderly, infirm, vulnerable and people with young children" have ample time to take their pick - it's not as if the parish priest is holding a gun to their head for pity's sake!

mafeking said...

I think Claire Hedderman's letter highlights the general approach of the liberals. Hectoring and browbeating is dressed up as "love" and "charity". There's also the emotional blackmail.... " the elderly, infirm, vulnerable and people with young children" etc and exaggeration ...."I personally know of over 100 people (is that really posssible?). We are going to have to get used to this in the coming months/years, learn to not get upset by it and find ways of countering it (in truth and charity). Something tells me they know what they are doing but we do not know what we are doing (yet).

Edward said...

Did he design this habit for the order? Seems odd to have a watered silk fascia and blue silk lined sleaves as a religious habit. I thought the idea was simplicity; not a mock up of a prelates outfit!

Claire Hedderman said...

In response to Ottaviani’s comment, Muller Fortis has made no secret on her blog that she is not resident in Our Lady of the Rosary Parish travelling 7 miles to attend Mass and other activities, and I imagine that is the reason why her comments were not used in the Tablet’s article.

And in reply to Mafeking, I can confirm that I do know over 100 people that have left the parish due to the changes made to the way we worship. I have been a resident parishioner for 30 years, and attended primary and secondary school in the parish, and actively supported parish groups and events and I know many people in my parish community.

Please note that at no time was the Tridentine Mass or the people who prefer it attacked by us. We have no objection to Latin Mass but at a time that fits in with the needs of the community. The Latin Mass at this time has all readings in Latin. In Blackfen 10.30 am is the best time for the isolated, elderly and the young to meet and be part of the wider family of the parish.

Henry said...

Claire, I am interested to know why so many people stopped going to mass because the main Sunday one became an EF? What were the reasons? It sounds very strange. Are you saying that the readings are not being done in English? There is no reason why they should not be.

Surely the socialising, which is indeed very important, happens in the parish hall after the mass not during it in the church? Or in the pub if you don't have a parish hall. Or both. What is going on in your parish? It does not add up to a coherent picture.

mafeking said...

Claire Hedderman

More hectoring, more brow beating, more manipulation and all done in that carefully controlled soft tones voice so reminiscent of the Tablet. It's so phoney.

I take what you say with a pinch of salt. If I have the choice of believing your version of events or Fr. Tim's I'll take his any day. The very fact that you and your friends have seen fit to try and blacken his name tells me everything I need to know about you. The fact that you did it through that well known anti-Catholic 'Catholic' paper the Tablet tells me even more. I've met Fr. Tim and he is without doubt one of the best priests I have ever met. A more fair minded person you could never meet. He should have been a Bishop ages ago and if people like him were in charge of the Church the Church wouldn't be in the mess it is now. Your attacks on him are a total scandal.

No Claire I really don't trust what you are saying and I see your sudden appearance on this blog as yet more mischief making. You're trying to cover your tracks and you're not succeeding.

It seems to me your real motives here is jealousy. Everybody loves and everybody respects Fr. Tim and you hate him for it. Fr. Tim is everything you aren't and you just can't stand his virtue. You owe him an apology but judging by your prideful stance here it will be a long time coming.