Monday, March 10, 2008

Where is St Patrick?

Yesterday someone asked when the feast of St Patrick was to be celebrated in England and Wales.
This year he is not to be celebrated, as 17th March falls in Holy Week, the Passion and death of his Lord takes precedence over his feast, in the liturgy mere feasts are not transferred. In Ireland where it is a celebrated as a Solemnity, I understand it is being kept on Saturday. Obviously the faithful will immediately end their celebrations as soon as the Church bell rings to announce the First Vespers of Palm Sunday on Saturday evening, or as soon as the first Mass of Sunday is celebrated.

St Joseph which should be celebrated 19th March, which is a Solemnity in England Wales cannot be celebrated in Holy Week, nor during the Easter Octave has to wait until the 31st March.

The Annunciation, another Solemnity is celebrated on the 1st April.

In our diocese, however, those churches which are dedicated to St Patrick celebrate there Patronal feast on 2nd April!


Anonymous said...

I thought that in England & Wales St.Joseph was to be on the 15th and the Anunciation on the 31st March.ffn

Fr Ray Blake said...

Maybe elsewhere, I don't know, but not in our diocese.

Anonymous said...

In a diocese not far from yours, St Patrick's is on Friday 14 March and St Joseph's on Saturday 15th.

Mary Martha said...

There should be some sort of a global standard. I think in this neck of the woods (Chicago) it's St. Patrick on March 14th, and St. Joseph on the 15th.

Anonymous said...

According to the Vatican edition of the "Ordo secundum calendarium Romanum generale", St Joseph's brought forward to the 15th of this month.

Pastor in Monte said...

Our diocesan ordo is a real mess in all sorts of ways. WE noticed that about St Joseph this morning, but it's too late to put him on this Saturday; we'll have to keep him with the rest of the diocese after Easter.

fr paul harrison said...

No guidance from our Ordo.

I have opted for Thursday the 13th. We have Mass at St Patricks at 12noon every Thursday, so seemed like a good idea to me.

fr paul harrison

On the side of the angels said...

We have St Joseph on the 14th, St Patrick on the 15th ???

Dr. Peter H. Wright said...

If you follow the "old" Calendar, as I do, then the Annunciation, a Feast of the first class, is translated out of Easter Week to the first available day, which is Monday 31 March 2008.

St. Joseph, another Feast of the first class, is transferred out of Holy Week to the next available day which is Tuesday 1 April 2008.

St. Patrick, which is a feast of the third class, is not transferable and simply drops off the map.

I don't know if the 1962 Missal allows for diocesan celebrations, i.e. a commemoration, in situations like this.

Anonymous said...

The Ordo for Australia and New Zealand has Solemnity of St Patrick on 14 March for Australia and Solemnity of St Joseph on 15 March for Aus and NZ.

Anonymous said...

The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei has made a determination about the dates for St Joseph and the Annunciation in the Extraordinary Form.

That is to say that the instruction from the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments about the date of St. Joseph applies also to the use of the 1962 Missale Romanum. Therefore, the First Class Feast of St. Joseph in 2008 is shifted from 19 March to 15 March.

Also, the Feast of the Annunciation is shifted from 25 March to 31 March.

Ecclesia Dei nimmt Stellung zum Josefsfest:
Anweisung der Gottesdienstkongregation gilt verbindlich auch für die Missa Tridentina

Die Kongregation für die Sakramente und den Gottesdienst hat bekanntgegeben, dass das 1. Klasse-Fest des heiligen Josef im Jahr 2008 ausnahmsweise vom 19. März auf den 15. März verlegt wird. Das 1. Klasse-Fest "Verkündigung des Herrn" wird ebenfalls verlegt und am 31. statt am 25. März gefeiert; bei letzterem ist es jedoch eine liturgisch "planmäßig" vorgesehene Verlegung, während die Verlegung des Joseftags eine einmalige Ausnahme darstellt.

Monsignore Camille Perl, Sekretär der päpstlichen Kommission "Ecclesia Dei" hat am 11.03.2008 auf Nachfrage persönlich gegenüber erklärt, dass die ganze Kirche am Samstag den 15. März 2008 nun das 1. Klasse Fest des Heiligen Josef feiere und dass dies (Zitat) "natürlich" auch für die außerordentliche Form des römischen Ritus verbindlich sei.

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