Tuesday, October 14, 2008

'Flu Pandemic?


One of our deanery priests told us today that there is a particularly virulent form of the 'flu virus on its way which the standard vaccine won't deal with. Apparently the relevant department of the Bishop's Conference is going to issue instructions forbidding the reception of Holy Communion under both kinds.

13 comments:

nickbris said...

Could be good idea Father,I have had a bad kind of cold for about 10 days now and it is mainly a sore throat.

It is the downside of Public Transport and the "free Bus Pass" hasn't helped.

Paul, Bedfordshire said...

Indeed the Lord doth move in mysterious ways, his wonders to behold

Henry said...

Looks like a sign of progress to me.

Sub diversis speciebus,
Signis tantum, et non rebus,
Latent res eximiae:
Caro cibus, sanguis potus;
Manet tamen Christus totus
Sub utraque specie.

A sumente non concisus,
Non confractus, non divisus
Integer accipitur.
Sumit unus, sumunt mille;
Quantum isti, tantum ille:
Nec sumptus consumitur.

(Sequence from the Feast of Corpus Christi)

Hope they won't backslide when the epidemic is over.

Adrienne said...

IMHO it should be recinded forever. There are far more reasons for not receiving under both kinds than for.

big benny said...

What possible 'other' reasons could there be for not receiving communion both kinds as our blessed Lord mandated? It is an abundant grace. I'm guessing communion under both kinds will change form temporarilly to use of intinction during any pandemic. Maybe the sign of peace will change to a hand wave to avoid bodilly contact?

Henry said...

Big Benny, the reason is here in the Sequence for Corpus Christi.

You can take St Thomas Aquinas on trust, he is a Doctor of the Church. The translation is a bit free.

Lauda, Sion, Salvatorem,
Lauda ducem et pastorem
In hymnis et canticis.
Quantum poses, tantum aude:
Quia major omni laude
Nec laudare sufficis.

Sion, lift thy voice and sing:
Praise thy Savior and thy King;
Praise with hymns thy Shepherd true:
Dare thy most to praise Him well;
For He doth all praise excel;
None can ever reach His due.

Laudis thema specialis,
Panis vivus et vitalis
Hodie proponitur;
Quem in sacrae mensa coenae
Turbae fratrum duodenae
Datum non ambigitur.

Special theme of praise is thine,
That true living Bread divine,
That life-giving flesh adored,
Which the brethren twelve received,
As most faithfully believed,
At the Supper of the Lord.
Sit laus plena, sit sonora,

Sit iucunda, sit decora
Mentis iubilatio.
Dies enim solemnis agitur,
In qua mensae prima recolitur
Huius institutio.

Let the chant be loud and high;
Sweet and tranquil be the joy
Felt to-day in every breast;
On this festival divine
Which recounts the origin
Of the glorious Eucharist.

In hac mensa novi Regis
Novum Pascha novae legis
Phase vetus terminat.
Vetustatem novitas,
Umbram fugat veritas,
Noctem lux eliminat.

At this table of the King,
Our new Paschal offering
Brings to end the olden rite;
Here, for empty shadows fled,
Is reality instead;
Here, instead of darkness, light.

Quod in coena Christus gessit,
Faciendum hoc expressit
In sui memoriam
Docti sacris institutis,
Panem, vinum in salutis
Consecramus hostiam.

His own act, at supper seated,
Christ ordained to be repeated,
In His memory divine;
Wherefore now, with adoration,
We the Host of our salvation
Consecrate from bread and wine.

Dogma datur Christianis,
Quod in carnem transit panis
Et vinum in sanguinem.
Quod non capis, quod non vides,
Animosa firmat fides
Praeter rerum ordinem.

Hear what holy Church maintaineth,
That the bread its substance changeth
Into Flesh, the wine to Blood.
Doth it pass thy comprehending?
Faith, the law of sight transcending,
Leaps to things not understood.

Sub diversis speciebus,
Signis tantum, et non rebus,
Latent res eximiae:
Caro cibus, sanguis potus;
Manet tamen Christus totus
Sub utraque specie.

Here in outward signs are hidden
Priceless things, to sense forbidden;
Signs, not things, are all we see:-
Flesh from bread, and Blood from wine;
Yet is Christ, in either sign,
All entire confessed to be.

A sumente non concisus,
Non confractus, non divisus
Integer accipitur.
Sumit unus, sumunt mille;
Quantum isti, tantum ille:
Nec sumptus consumitur.

They too who of Him partake
Sever not, nor rend, nor break,
But entire their Lord receive.
Whether one or thousands eat,
All receive the selfsame meat,
Nor the less for others leave.

Sorte tamen inaequali,
Vitae vel interitus.
Mors est malis, vita bonis:
Vide, paris sumptionis
Quam sit dispar exitus.

Both the wicked and the good
Eat of this celestial Food;
But with ends how opposite!
Here 'tis life; and there 'tis death;
The same, yet issuing to each
In a difference infinite.

Fracto demum Sacramento,
Ne vacilles, sed memento,
Tantam esse sub fragmento,
Quantum toto tegitur.
Nulla rei fit scissura,
Signi tantum fit fractura,
Qua nec status nec statura
Signati minuitur.

Nor a single doubt retain,
When they break the Host in twain,
But that in each part remains
What was in the whole before;
Since the simple sign alone
Suffers change in state or form,
The Signified remaining One
And the Same forevermore.

Ecce panis Angelorum,
Factus cibus viatorum,
Vere panis filiorum,
Non mittendus canibus.
In figuris praesignatur,
Cum Isaac immolatur;
Agnus Paschae deputatur,
Datur manna patribus.

Lo! upon the Altar lies,
Hidden deep from human eyes,
Angels' Bread from Paradise
Made the food of mortal man:
Children's meat to dogs denied;
In old types foresignified;
In the manna from the skies,
In Isaac, and the Paschal Lamb.

Bone Pastor, panis vere,
Jesu, nostri miserere,
Tu nos pasce, nos tuere,
Tu nos bona fac videre,
In terra viventium.
Tu, qui cuncta scis et vales,
Qui nos pascis hic mortales,
Tuos ibi commensales,
Cohaeredes et sodales,
Fac sanctorum civium.
Amen.

Jesu! Shepherd of the sheep!
Thy true flock in safety keep.
Living Bread! Thy life supply;
Strengthen us, or else we die;
Fill us with celestial grace:
Thou, who feedest us below!
Source of all we have or know!
Grant that with Thy Saints above,
Sitting at the Feast of Love,
We may see Thee face to face. Amen

big benny said...

Here in outward signs are hidden
Priceless things, to sense forbidden;
Signs, not things, are all we see:-
Flesh from bread, and Blood from wine;
Yet is Christ, in either sign,
All entire confessed to be.


Henry, no one is suggesting that our lord is not entirely complete in recieving either form alone (although both bread and wine are needed for transubstantiation to take place). However, that is not an argument for not recieving under both kinds where possible. I believe even Fr Ray offers communion under both kinds on a regular(-ish) basis.

Fr Ray Blake said...

BB
"I believe even Fr Ray offers communion under both kinds on a regular(-ish) basis."
Every Mass actually, except one!

gemoftheocean said...

It's a nasty green hacking death flu. I was down with it for two weeks almost, and my voice still isn't back to normal. I'm ALL for doing away with the cup in flu season...I suppose if people really want Communion under both kinds, intinction's the way to go. And I could kiss whomever wants to do away with the handshake. Especiallly during flu season. I've never been a big fan. There's always that one idiot who will insist on coming to Mass and wiping out half the congregation.

Karen

Jackie Parkes said...

We NEVER have Holy Communion under both kinds. If ever I was at a Church that did I wouldn't receive Our Lord's Precious Blood..it isn't necessary..receiving the Sacred host is completely Our Lord. It just gives more women a chance to stand at the altar looking important & with regard to the flu..well I've got man-flu at the moment!!
The sign of the peace is a total irritation..& is never given during our weekday Masses & at the High on Sunday the booklet explains..the person next to you..rant over!

Henry said...

Explanation here
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm

Fr Ray Blake said...

Last comment Big Ben was just rude, hence rejected.

nickbris said...

Just to enlighten Jackie,those important looking women are important,they visit the sick & housebound,give Communion and do a lot of work in the community in their own free time.They do deserve some respect.